Do you trust a vaccine that's been "fast tracked?"

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Star Member Cyrano (12,294 posts)
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Do you trust a vaccine that's been "fast tracked?"

There's a vaccine out there that's been "fast tracked" by skipping a few of the steps that are usually involved in testing the effectiveness and safety of a new vaccine.

It's the Federal Drug Administration (FDA) that has always safeguarded us regarding new drugs/vaccines, etc. However, the FDA is part of the administrative branch of government, -- which means that the White House (Trump) can order them to okay something that may or may not be safe.

Look at how Trump has castrated the Center for Disease Control (CDC) which has, for many, many decades, been the most trusted public health organization in the world before this crazed, madman president came along.

Who knows how many people were used in testing this vaccine? Have they been exposed to Covid-19 to see if the vaccine if effective? Who knows?

I believe that all vaccines currently in use have gone through exhaustive (and years of) testing, before they were approved. Not this time. Right now, we have a crazy man who wants to get reelected and would have you believe that this "new" vaccine, or even Clorox, will help his campaign.

Would you be willing to take this vaccine immediately? I sure as hell wouldn't, before about six months or maybe longer. At this moment, given that Trump has "fast tracked" this vaccine, I hope it doesn't kill more people than it helps.

Star Member The Velveteen Ocelot (85,486 posts)

2. I am the farthest thing from an anti-vaxxer, but I would be very skeptical

of any vaccine that was announced before the election that it was ready to go. I think I'd just stay at home as I've been doing and wait awhile to see if it actually works.

 

Star Member Kablooie (16,139 posts)

3. It would probalby be best to wait until another country okays a vaccine.

The Trump vaccine will almost certainly have problems when it's inevitably released too soon.

 

Star Member Drahthaardogs (6,363 posts)

9. Yes, and I get a vaccine or placebo in two weeks.

It's a killed virus vaccine and we need one badly. So, I enrolled for the Phase 3 study and was accepted. I'm a scientist so, what the heck. Let's Do This!

 

Star Member ProfessorGAC (41,151 posts)

11. Same Here

My trust lies in the professionals doing the work.
An idiot in the White House does not automatically negate the years of experience & professionalism of those developing it.
Fast tracking is a function of the seriousness of the situation, not necessarily linked to sloppiness on the part of experts.

fescuerescue (2,065 posts)

10. It's not just the United States in this

All the other countries have some form of drug regulation and approval as well.

Also, it's 50/50 if the US will even be the country that first manufactures a vaccine.

There will be lots of indicators other than the FDA.

ansible (1,041 posts)

12. It can take years for the full side effects of vaccines to reveal themselves

Get used to the coronavirus being a daily part of our lives from now on. It's not going away for a long time, and no vaccine is going to save us.

Star Member Mike 03 (12,110 posts)

13. Don't think so. Maybe if the W.H.O. or Angela Merkel or Justin Trudeau fast tracked it, but not

if Trump or some Trump-ruined institution is involved.

customerserviceguy (24,758 posts)

15. While I'm sure

that a fair amount of the time needed to develop a vaccine (often cited as eighteen months) involves a not-minimal amount of bureaucratic delay that can be done away with, I'm also sure that it really does time to develop an effective vaccine that has been verified to be safe from having been tested in statistically significant groups of people.

I won't be rushing to get the first vaccine out there, mainly because I don't have to. Being retired, we're under no pressure to get back to a job, and we can maintain our lifestyle with weekly grocery trips and the rare occasional doctor or lab visit. Sure, I miss eating a good seafood dish at a local restaurant (customerservicegal will not let me cook fish in our kitchen) but I can live without it. Same goes for movies, concerts, and travel out of our area.

Besides, health care professionals and first responders need to get the vaccine first, followed by essential workers who keep things running smoothly for the rest of us. By the time they all get what they need, we will have a clearer picture of what vaccine is best among the available options.

Star Member Faux pas (9,797 posts)

18. Nope

not a chance in hell. In fact, I'd believe it would kill us faster.

 

Midnight Writer (6,630 posts)

20. No. Any vaccine that comes out before the election is suspect.

I intend to stick to my current prevention protocols and wait for confirmation of results or a second generation vaccine.

Star Member Doreen (9,313 posts)

23. I will only take something if Fauci says on national tv that he recommends it.

blueinredohio (3,785 posts)

24. Nope especially anything that is done under this administration.

Star Member uponit7771 (68,862 posts)

32. 9 women can't make one baby in a month, not testing the vaccine over time seems like needless danger.

Also, I've not read one article or heard one explanation of why we should trust a vaccine this time vs what happened in the last major politicized plague ... that vaccine was useless against the virus and the "second wave" from it was from that vaccine not being time tested and people running out thinking their was a vaccine.

The "second wave" of 1918 didn't occur without the false information related to the vaccine

 

[FiddyBeowulf]

Star Member Doreen (9,313 posts)

23. I will only take something if Fauci says on national tv that he recommends it.

And has a personal financial stake in. 

32. 9 women can't make one baby in a month, not testing the vaccine over time seems like needless danger.

That is not how making a baby works...

[Texacon]

They're terrified that a vaccine is going to come out before the election.  TERRIFIED.

Sad.

KC

[SVPete]

Star Member Cyrano (12,294 posts)
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Do you trust a vaccine that's been "fast tracked?"

There's a vaccine out there that's been "fast tracked" by skipping a few of the steps that are usually involved in testing the effectiveness and safety of a new vaccine.

This is dangerously false! The only vaccine I know of that has skipped a test phase is the one China developed that is going from Phase II completion to being used on the PLA (basically, the PLA is Phase III).

Let me back up and give a little background info on test phases in ordinary people language:

Phase I - Several dozen people, multiple dose levels tested to find a dose that is effective and has minimal and mild side effects (if any);

Phase II - Hundreds of people, multiple ethnicities, testing effectiveness and safety;

Phase III - Tens of thousands of people, multiple ethnicities, testing effectiveness and safety; last pre-release phase;

Phase IV - Ongoing monitoring after public vaccinations begin.

So, where are the major candidates at in the test continuum?

Moderna - Phase II
BioNTech/Pfizer - Phase II; Phase III planned for late July
Inovio - Phase I; Phase II/III in summer
AstraZeneca (Oxford University) - Phase III
Novavax - Phase II; Phase III planned for fall
Janssen Research (J & J) - Phase I/II in July

So, from a DUmmie POV there are at least three "threats" to Biden, vaccines that could be far enough into Phase III to be released in October, all properly tested. The leader, AstraZeneca is far enough into Phase III that they are conducting tests in four countries, the UK, the US, South Africa, and Brazil. These companies are all partners in Trump's "Operation Warp Speed". Federal partnering with Moderna began on January 22, two days after China finally admitted that human-human transmission of Covid-19 was known to have happened.

So, put-your-money-where-your-mouth-is time, would I be vaccinated? Unless there was some specific contraindication, yes! I'm not an anti-vaxxer, and I don't see "Big Pharma" or "Western Medicine" as a bogeyman.

Star Moron Cyanose is pretty much always moronic, but in this case he is dangerously so. And doing it for political agenda.

[Old n Grumpy]

Do you trust the corner dealer you buy your dope from?

[DUmpDiver]

I like how they all still pretend that contracting COVID is an automatic death sentence.

[Ralph Wiggum]

I like how they all still pretend that contracting COVID is an automatic death sentence.

What I've been saying all along.  Without the underlying conditions, it is most likely no more harmful than the flu.

[USA4ME]

It wouldn't take much reading to learn that "fast tracking" simply means it's been placed in the category of highest priority, but such is the life of a liberal.

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[Texacon]

From my understanding this thing is on the edge of being downgraded from an epidemic. It’s been downgraded from pandemic.

KC

[Delmar]

The uponit7771 primitive is spewing fear mongering BS all over this thread.  The same primitive that was babbling a few months ago about canaries in coal mines and about how all the  power plants were on the verge of shutting down.

[Carl]

Don't take it and just ****ing die.

[SVPete]

Star Moron uponit7771
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The "second wave" of 1918 didn't occur without the false information related to the vaccine

1. Influenza was not known to be a virus until the 1930s.

2. The first influenza vaccine was developed in the 1940s.

So, unsurprisingly, Star Moron uponit7771 spewed bovine diarrhea. The cause of the Second Wave was basically soldiers coming home from Europe where the First Wave had hit.