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PPE Responsibility
« on: May 15, 2020, 08:49:56 PM »
I’ve been holding off posting this, but I have a question. Why do the DUmmies keep saying Trump is responsible for all these healthcare professionals PPE?

I work in the refineries and terminals in the oil and gas industry. Every plant I go into requires I take a 1-2 hour site specific safety course. I do a LOT of these trainings. In every single training they tell you that your employer is responsible for purchasing and providing you with the PPE you will need to perform whatever task you’re assigned to. This is an OSHA requirement.

So, is the healthcare industry different or are the DUmmies to stupid to know who is responsible for this, OR are they just trying to make political points?

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Re: PPE Responsibility
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2020, 09:00:32 PM »
Well, DUmmies being stupid and trying to score political points is a given, but you already know that.

They're throwing anything they can and hoping something sticks. These are simpleminded and desperate kooks. We all do ourselves a favor by not assigning too much depth of thought to what they're trying to do at any given time.

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Re: PPE Responsibility
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2020, 09:08:15 PM »
Well, if they're claiming Trump sent tons of government owned PPE to China, it's false. The PPE went to China in late January on government chartered planes, but the PPE was from private charities, donated to those charities by privates charities. The planes were sent to China to evacuate State department people and their families. Since the planes would have gone to China empty, the government allowed the charity to ship the PPE on otherwise empty planes.

It's from a lying Biden campaign ad that was debunked 3 or 4 weeks ago.
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Re: PPE Responsibility
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2020, 09:32:33 PM »
Well, if they're claiming Trump sent tons of government owned PPE to China, it's false. The PPE went to China in late January on government chartered planes, but the PPE was from private charities, donated to those charities by privates charities. The planes were sent to China to evacuate State department people and their families. Since the planes would have gone to China empty, the government allowed the charity to ship the PPE on otherwise empty planes.

It's from a lying Biden campaign ad that was debunked 3 or 4 weeks ago.


Had not heard that particular story. Thanks for the info!

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Re: PPE Responsibility
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2020, 06:41:00 AM »
I’ve been holding off posting this, but I have a question. Why do the DUmmies keep saying Trump is responsible for all these healthcare professionals PPE?

I work in the refineries and terminals in the oil and gas industry. Every plant I go into requires I take a 1-2 hour site specific safety course. I do a LOT of these trainings. In every single training they tell you that your employer is responsible for purchasing and providing you with the PPE you will need to perform whatever task you’re assigned to. This is an OSHA requirement.

So, is the healthcare industry different or are the DUmmies to stupid to know who is responsible for this, OR are they just trying to make political points?

KC


Yup.  I spent a fair amount of time teaching just such a course.   We had a constant stream of contractors who had to be run through those courses and not infrequently someone would mention that it became a bit redundant as they seemed to have to take it at every facility they visited.   

I took my first OSHA course,  Work Site Safety IIRC, in the mid seventies.  I had witnessed my first open trench death in the late fifties.  (I will never forget it, I was delivering papers.)  I have no problem agreeing DUmmies are stupid but work place safety cuts across party lines.  It only takes a second of inattention and you wake up dead. :whistling:


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Re: PPE Responsibility
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2020, 07:10:01 AM »

Yup.  I spent a fair amount of time teaching just such a course.   We had a constant stream of contractors who had to be run through those courses and not infrequently someone would mention that it became a bit redundant as they seemed to have to take it at every facility they visited.   

I took my first OSHA course,  Work Site Safety IIRC, in the mid seventies.  I had witnessed my first open trench death in the late fifties.  (I will never forget it, I was delivering papers.)  I have no problem agreeing DUmmies are stupid but work place safety cuts across party lines.  It only takes a second of inattention and you wake up dead. :whistling:
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Re: PPE Responsibility
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2020, 09:30:47 AM »

Had not heard that particular story. Thanks for the info!

KC

Here's my source:

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/04/22/wapo-no-trump-didnt-send-american-ppe-china/

WaPo: No, Trump Didn’t Send American PPE To China
ED MORRISSEY  Posted at 6:01 pm on April 22, 2020
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Consider this one of the dumber tropes to emerge from Democrats over the last few weeks of coronavirus theater, and — as Glenn Kessler demonstrates — one of the more easily refuted. The Democratic super-PAC supporting Joe Biden amplified an accusation bouncing around on social media of late, which is that Donald Trump so miscalculated the COVID-19 pandemic that he robbed the US of its personal protective equipment in order to assist China. That, they hint, is why America faces a PPE shortage now:

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“Trump gave China more than praise. He shipped China 17 tons of American masks and medical supplies. Our masks and supplies. Supplies we need now.”

— voice-over of ad via American Bridge 21st Century, a Democratic super PAC, released April 17, 2020

Feel free to follow the above links to the ad itself, but is it worth it? Did Trump send masks and other PPE to China just when we needed it the most? No, Kessler says in his fact check at the Washington Post. All Trump did was supply the transport for private donations of PPE on the front part of the effort to evacuate Americans from China:

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The ad says that “Trump … shipped 17 tons of American masks and medical supplies. Our masks and supplies.” The impression left by the ad is that these were U.S. government goods, shipped on Trump’s order.

But these were actually donations by private charities and public companies for Project HOPE, an international health-care organization that has been operating in Wuhan for a quarter-century and helped establish a nursing school there. Usually, donors to Project HOPE arrange for charter aircraft to take their donations overseas.
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In the case highlighted in the ad, the State Department’s role was providing the aircraft. The department sent charted planes to Wuhan to pick up some 800 consulate workers, their families and other Americans. The planes otherwise were going to be empty on the way to China ...

It's worth noting, just for context, that the evacuation flight from Wuhan was back in the US by January 29th, https://abcnews.go.com/US/us-chartering-evacuation-flight-wuhan-coronavirus-zone-california/story?id=68571310 .

And here's Project HOPE's press release from that time, https://www.projecthope.org/project-hope-airlifting-aid-to-front-lines-of-coronavirus-fight-in-wuhan/01/2020/

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MILLWOOD, VA (January 29, 2020) – Project HOPE is mobilizing critical supplies and other support for frontline health workers in Wuhan, China, who have been battling the new coronavirus outbreak since December 2019. Project HOPE is preparing vital stocks of personal protective equipment donated by Latter-day Saint Charities—such as face masks, coveralls, and gloves—for airlift to Wuhan in the days to come.

“Personal protective equipment is often the only barrier between a doctor or nurse and the critically ill patient during a disease outbreak,” said Rabih Torbay, President and CEO of Project HOPE. “When we heard health workers in Wuhan were avoiding taking breaks on their eight-hour shifts because it would require donning a new set of protective gear from their hospitals’ dwindling supplies, we knew we had to act immediately. The items being flown to Wuhan will help replenish stockpiles in hospitals on the front lines of this outbreak, some of which Project HOPE has supported for nearly 20 years.”

Departing from Latter-day Saint Charities’ Salt Lake City and Atlanta warehouses and bound for Wuhan in the coming days, these two flights will carry a total of 220,000 face masks, 870 pairs of protective goggles, and more than 6,500 pairs of protective coveralls. Project HOPE staff in China will work with local officials to help support last mile delivery of these critical personal protective supplies to medical facilities.
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Re: PPE Responsibility
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2020, 09:50:46 AM »
True and brief :bouncy: , I work for a company the State of CA has deemed essential, and I perform an essential function. So I am splitting time between my place of work and home. I do the hands-on stuff I can't do at home in the "office", and do computer work at home. My company requires people working in company buildings to wear masks, and has supplied the masks (not N95, but still some degree of perfection, since two people wearing masks is a double barrier. Companies are required to provide the PPE the companies deem required.

The PPE shortages had two major causes:

* A massive surge in demand;

* The country where a large % of PPE is manufactured, China, lied to the world about the epidemic - delayed announcing the outbreak, delayed announcing the type and DNA sequence of the virus, lied about whether human-human transmission was happening - for some 5 weeks, in which time China shut down exports of PPE and scooped it up for internal use. Regardless of how one feels about China's shenanigans, the net result was that the supply of PPE was severely diminished during a time of massive demand surge.

A third significant/major cause of the shortages was the Obama Administration's failure to replenish national stockpiles after the 2009-2010 H1N1 epidemic and similar failures to stockpile by various states and major cities.

Then there's the FDA's years-long slow-walking of the approval for full volume use of a process that disinfects masks and other PPE for re-use.
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Re: PPE Responsibility
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2020, 10:23:44 AM »
Here's my source:

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/04/22/wapo-no-trump-didnt-send-american-ppe-china/

WaPo: No, Trump Didn’t Send American PPE To China
ED MORRISSEY  Posted at 6:01 pm on April 22, 2020
Feel free to follow the above links to the ad itself, but is it worth it? Did Trump send masks and other PPE to China just when we needed it the most? No, Kessler says in his fact check at the Washington Post. All Trump did was supply the transport for private donations of PPE on the front part of the effort to evacuate Americans from China:


It's worth noting, just for context, that the evacuation flight from Wuhan was back in the US by January 29th, https://abcnews.go.com/US/us-chartering-evacuation-flight-wuhan-coronavirus-zone-california/story?id=68571310 .

And here's Project HOPE's press release from that time, https://www.projecthope.org/project-hope-airlifting-aid-to-front-lines-of-coronavirus-fight-in-wuhan/01/2020/


Excellent information!  Thank you, sir.

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Re: PPE Responsibility
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2020, 11:24:12 AM »
That is why we call them DUmmies.  :mental:
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Re: PPE Responsibility
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2020, 12:34:42 PM »
If The Vaccine is deadly as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, millions now living would have died.