Stevegberg (74 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213242463
As angry as I am at Trump voters, I have empathy for the ones who aren't rich ****s or Nazi assholes
Think about it - most of Trump's voters are not the Nazi/White Nationalist sickos who want to murder Jews and black and brown people for a white homeland. Nor are they the greedy rich POS who always benefit from Republicans in power, Trump included. No, most Trump supporters are just ordinary, middle-class and even poor Republican voters, with a smattering of former conservative, white Democrats.
Yes, a lot of Trump supporters - most of them, probably the vast majority - have repugnant views on race, gender, immigration, and other issues of basic social justice and equality. They should absolutely be held accountable for those views, and for allowing those views to steer them toward this demented garbage human being and con artist who passes for America's President.
But make no mistake: How many Trump voters truly benefit from his policies (and broader Republican policies)? Especially with the utter policy failures and moral bankruptcy of their response/non-response to the COVID-19 pandemic and the coming economic depression that has a not-at-all insignificant change of making Trump a one-term President (God or Fate willing).
The bottom line: Trump may say "I am your voice!" to his supporters, and they may believe it wholeheartedly, but cult members are victims of the cult leader even as they are perpetrators of his mendacity. Be firm, be strong, hold all Trump supporters accountable, confront them with the truth - but don't let them get to you to the point that you dehumanize them, because that only feeds their sense of victim-hood, and convinces them that the Democrats/liberals/whomever are the ones victimizing them, rather than the Scumbag-In-Chief whom they've put so much faith in.
This may not be a popular view, and you can disagree all you want and I'll respect that. But I don't want my anger to cloud my compassion for Trump's victims, regardless of whether they support him.
I kind of stopped reading after the bolded sentence...
SoonerPride (5,184 posts)
1. they are all nazi assholes, rich or not
zero empathy for any of them ever.
madwivoter (493 posts)
2. Nope.
In fact, all the nopes in nopesville.
Ferrets are Cool (7,007 posts)
3. I have NO empathy, sympathy or any other "pathy"
We are in this mess because of THEM.
Squinch (30,867 posts)
9. They're doing this to themselves. There's not a lot we can do to stop that.
And no one voted for Filthy Donnie who isn't, at heart, a racist and a sexist.
Not one of them.
You don't vote a racist and sexist into the Presidency of the United States without thinking that racism and sexism are A-OK.
And yes, I see from your replies above that you will find that sad.
Star Member CrispyQ (27,638 posts)
18. They have strained the bounds of my empathy.
Children are separated from their parents at our southern border & these folks are A-OK with that. They support a political party that admits, even at the very top, that if they made it easier to vote, they would lose, so they are A-OK with silencing the voice of people they disagree with. This is no longer a difference of political opinion, it's a difference in how you view your fellow human beings. I'm still polite to right wingers I know, but I don't seek them out and this is gonna leave a mark—my own version of the number of the beast. I hope they come to their senses, but I will never look at them the same way again even if they do.
Star Member Paladin (20,644 posts)
19. To hell with them.
My compassion is distributed among people who are far more worthy of it. If some of the trump people want to come crawling back to our side, having recognized their costly blunder, fair enough. **** the rest of them.
Star Member not_the_one (1,172 posts)
22. Sorry, my **** balance is in the severe negative column...
When the good people of American allowed the current turd to float around in OUR White House, after Hillary winning by almost 3,000,000 votes, and did nothing about it, I veered off the high road and never looked back. We ARE WHERE WE ARE because we were too busy being "nice". Meanwhile, they were taking no prisoners.
If they voted for the turd, I hold them in contempt. There were NO "good intentions" involved in their choice.
Strange how his core base continues to be the same %... They will stay with him regardless. Cult members are VOLUNTEERS for the cult.
They rest? They KNEW they were voting for a *****grabber. That says it all. I have no sympathy, empathy whatsoever for *****grabbers. I, frankly, don't give a shit for whatever conundrum they find themselves in. TOO. ****ING. BAD.
Coventina (20,979 posts)
26. Unrec. n/t
Star Member JustAnotherGen (26,858 posts)
30. No - I'm with Atticus
We are going to look back next year. We aren't just going to 'move on'.
What you PERMIT you promote. There is no such thing as an 'open on race' or religion Trumpster.
They knew PRECISELY what they were doing.
They have Consciously Supported the sunofabith. They continue to do so.
I dehumanized them the day after the election - when a rich white old one called me a ****** and told me this was revenge.
(oh, please.... )
That is WHO they are.
Your opinion - but I'm a democratic committee member. And unless you are serving a position like that two - you don't get to agitate the locals.
I do. I have the pulpit, the voters lists, and we've watched them closely (documenting names and such) in our area.
Getting the camps ready, are you?
Star Member JustAnotherGen (26,858 posts)
85. I don't have rage
Most of us who disagree with you dont. I don't see rage in that individual you responded to.
Remember - we've heard, read, seen nothing but those "poor little Trump voters" these past few years.
History will not be kind to them - it will be kind to the righteous.
We made a mistake and gave evil a freebie in 1865.
Let's not make the same stupid mistake again.
They knew exactly what they were doing in November 2016.
They call us Demonrats and Demorats in NJ. Let them be right.
um... that was the Democratic party that went easy on the south in 1865... but it was more like after President Johnson (D) left office in 1869...
Andrew Johnson became the 17th President of the United States (1865-1869), an old-fashioned southern Jacksonian Democrat of pronounced states’ rights views.After Lincoln’s death, President Johnson proceeded to reconstruct the former Confederate States
while Congress was not in session in 1865.
He pardoned all who would take an oath of allegiance, but required leaders and men of wealth to obtain special Presidential pardons.
By the time Congress met in December 1865, most southern states were reconstructed, slavery was being abolished,
but “black codes” to regulate the freedmen were beginning to appear.Radical Republicans in Congress moved vigorously to change Johnson’s program. They gained the support of northerners who were dismayed to see Southerners keeping many prewar leaders and imposing many prewar restrictions upon Negroes.
The Radicals’ first step was to refuse to seat any Senator or Representative from the old Confederacy. Next they passed measures dealing with the former slaves. Johnson vetoed the legislation.
The Radicals mustered enough votes in Congress to pass legislation over his veto–the first time that Congress had overridden a President on an important bill. They (Republicans) passed the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which established Negroes as American citizens and forbade discrimination against them.A few months later Congress submitted to the states the Fourteenth Amendment, which specified that no state should “deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.”
All the former Confederate States except Tennessee refused to ratify the amendment; further, there were two bloody race riots in the South. Speaking in the Middle West, Johnson faced hostile audiences. The Radical Republicans won an overwhelming victory in Congressional elections that fall.
In March 1867, the Radicals effected their own plan of Reconstruction, again placing southern states under military rule. They passed laws placing restrictions upon the President.
When Johnson allegedly violated one of these, the Tenure of Office Act, by dismissing Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton, the House voted eleven articles of impeachment against him. He was tried by the Senate in the spring of 1868 and acquitted by one vote.In 1875, Tennessee returned Johnson to the Senate. He died a few months later.
The Presidential biographies on WhiteHouse.gov are from “The Presidents of the United States of America,” by Frank Freidel and Hugh Sidey. Copyright 2006 by the White House Historical Association.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/andrew-johnson/You got no clue as to politics, do you, DUmpmonkie?
Star Member denbot (7,763 posts)
44. **** them! I have to face them every day as a trucker.
I am mostly Apache by heritage, but most think I’m “Mexican”, with it never dawning on them brown people are also Americans. If in conversation it come up that I’m from L.A. California, no less, true revulsion spreads across their face.
They despise us, and many if not most wouldn’t give a shit if Steve Miller had his way and we were loaded on cattle cars destined for crematoriums.
**** them!
agingdem (1,401 posts)
65. they are all the vilest of the vile...
they are Trump loving nazi cultists...they thrive on hate..and you're arguing bc they may be poor they deserve our empathy...huh???
Star Member rufus dog (7,981 posts)
72. I need to respond prior to reading any comments - Nope
They had numerous off ramps PRIOR to voting for him.
Racist asshole who lied about Obama - Check
Failed businessman who only succeeds because he preys on others - Check
Disparaging of Vets and those who gave huge sacrifices - Check
Numerous examples of abusing women - Check
They still voted for him.
As President
Proven liar on a daily basis - Check
Proven supporter of dictators and enemies - Check
Continuation of racist agenda - Check
Disregard for human rights - Check
Disregard for Constitution - Check
Illegally using office for personal game - Check
Unprecedented use of nepotism - Check
Inability to plan due to ignorance and incompetence - Check
Using office to penalize those who dare critique him - Check
Yet still they support him.
His actions, enabled by them impact our safety, our democracies and all democracies, our financial well being.
They are as ignorant as Hitler voters and deserve zero empathy, because they are driven by hate and fear of others.
Buckeye_Democrat (4,938 posts)
82. Many of them are stupid.
I have pity for them.
If not, then why bother being outraged at the misinformation from FOX News, right-wing talk radio, etc.
If their audience is intrinsically irredeemable, then those sources of misinformation are irrelevant. The audience will be drawn to it, regardless, because it’s their “nature”.
