Do black voters not understand the dangers of Trump?

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SaschaHM (2,132 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/118761439

Af-Am Group: Do black voters not understand the dangers of Trump?

There are some on DU that seems to think we don't even though we voted against the guy (88%-8%) at a higher percentage than the WWC voters that we keep being asked to pander to. And this is in spite of rampant voter suppression and a multitude of reasons, centuries one might say, to question Democratic commitment to black causes.

I'm asking for a friend.

There is no democratic commitment to the black people of America. As long as you give up for vote for free shit the Dems won't ever do anything more for you.

Star Member JI7 (61,060 posts)
1. people don't want to call out their own group and instead demand black people do it all for them.

Star Member JHan (4,887 posts)
2. Some days I imagine a world where voter suppression is talked about as much as...pandering to WWC.

Economists and pollsters in the United States generally define “working class” adults as those lacking a college degree, rather than by occupation or income. ... For purposes of political science, and less scientific or journalistic political analysis, defining the working class as less well educated workers is useful.

Whites (non-Hispanic and Hispanic) made up 79.8% or 75% of the American population in 2008.

White Americans' educational attainment is the second-highest in the country, after Asian Americans'. Overall, nearly one-third of White Americans had a Bachelor's degree.

The NAACP has compiled information on every state.  6 million blacks are eligible, but not registered to vote.

In the 2016 election
There are 207,643,594 eligible voters in the U.S.
Total number of early ballots cast   47,000,000
Total number of votes cast in the Hillary vs. Trump election   132,899,453
Voter turnout rate of all voting age citizens   55 %

Income under $49,999   72.6% (about 96.4 million voters)

So, about 126 million other than black voters (even if we fudge and call all 6 million eligible black voters as voted)... 1/3 of those ( roughly) have a college degree- which is the definition of non-Working Class...

so--- loosely 84 million non-Black voters could be counted as working class.

Wonder why the DNC panders to the WWC and not Black Americans?

Simple numbers.

[Adam Wood]

Af-Am Group: Do black voters not understand the dangers of Trump?

Black voters are, slowly but surely, beginning to understand the dangers of Democrats and particularly liberals and Leftists in general.  In a scant three generations, liberal policies have utterly destroyed the Black family, making a stable family unit of a father and mother with children from those two parents (rather than a host of transitory sperm donors) a rare and precious commodity today.  With the family unit destroyed, liberals have almost certainly ensured that Black people will never be able to rise above poverty, forever little more than wards of the state, for those who manage to avoid going into crime to support their ghettoized lifestyle that was specifically created by the Great Society.

There's a reason why Trump increased the Black vote over Romney, and that reason is liberalism.

[FunkyZero]

Black voters are, slowly but surely, beginning to understand the dangers of Democrats and particularly liberals and Leftists in general.  In a scant three generations, liberal policies have utterly destroyed the Black family, making a stable family unit of a father and mother with children from those two parents (rather than a host of transitory sperm donors) a rare and precious commodity today.  With the family unit destroyed, liberals have almost certainly ensured that Black people will never be able to rise above poverty, forever little more than wards of the state, for those who manage to avoid going into crime to support their ghettoized lifestyle that was specifically created by the Great Society.

There's a reason why Trump increased the Black vote over Romney, and that reason is liberalism.

I can't quantify this with actual evidence, so just my personal opinion based on what I see...
I don't think black voters (in general) are seeing the light at all... no more than they ever have.
This past election, dimocrats gave up a couple of points more than usual, but I attribute that the the Sanders grumpy commie effect.
From what I've actually experienced, that 7-8% of blacks who vote conservative consist almost entirely of those who ignored the liberal message their entire lives, worked hard and magically "made it out". They were successful, and against all odds (according to the left at least), no one held them back and the truth was exposed. They now believe in capitalism, conservatism and personal accountability, not government and racial handicaps. And it defies every "fact" they have ever been told.
The hell of it is, those 7-8% aren't allowed to talk about it. They get ostracized, and become pariahs for daring to challenge the culture... so they tend to avoid it among their peers.
Personally, I don't think it'll ever change either.

[BattleHymn]

Whitesplaining assholes.

[Adam Wood]

I can't quantify this with actual evidence, so just my personal opinion based on what I see...
I don't think black voters (in general) are seeing the light at all... no more than they ever have.
This past election, dimocrats gave up a couple of points more than usual, but I attribute that the the Sanders grumpy commie effect.
From what I've actually experienced, that 7-8% of blacks who vote conservative consist almost entirely of those who ignored the liberal message their entire lives, worked hard and magically "made it out". They were successful, and against all odds (according to the left at least), no one held them back and the truth was exposed. They now believe in capitalism, conservatism and personal accountability, not government and racial handicaps. And it defies every "fact" they have ever been told.
The hell of it is, those 7-8% aren't allowed to talk about it. They get ostracized, and become pariahs for daring to challenge the culture... so they tend to avoid it among their peers.
Personally, I don't think it'll ever change either.

As a voting bloc, certainly I don't expect Black voters to suddenly switch back to Republican (as virtually all Black voters reliably were pre-Kennedy), but I happened to live in an almost exclusively Black working-class (as opposed to welfare-class) neighborhood during the last election, I have to say that more than half of the people on my street who talked about it said that they liked what Trump had to say re: jobs and illegal aliens, and they did not like Hillary.  The fellow across the street from me at the time, who was my closest friend in the neighborhood, registered to vote for the first time in 2012 specifically so that he could vote for Obama (not sure why he didn't vote in '08), but by mid-2013, he just up and said to me one day "I'm just about sick of Obama."  He went and voted for Trump this time around.  I know at least four other Black folks on that street voted for Trump, and on a street with sixteen houses on it, all but two of them Black homes, that's pretty sizable.

Obviously all of that is anecdotal information, so take it with the appropriate amount of salt for what it is.

But I certainly agree that there is a huge stigma in the Black community if you are Black and dare to utter something conservative.  There is definitely an ingrained, generational expectation of freebies that would be threatened if Democrats can't use them to bribe Black voters as a bloc.

[jukin]

LBJ was right.

[beefeater]

LBJ was right.

And that was 50 years ago
Only 150 years to go