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Offline dutch508

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DUmpmonkiez claim victory!
« on: May 04, 2017, 02:18:27 PM »
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Star Member annabanana (51,440 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029015640

And the House is OURS!

The republicans have delivered the coup de grace on their own party.

When it dawns on everyone JUST HOW PUNATIVE this bill is, there will be no hope for them.

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Star Member Chipper Chat (6,453 posts)
1. Can we get people to the polls? Guess it's up to Perez if that happens.

I am sure you'll do fine...

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Star Member BSdetect (2,616 posts)
2. I'd never assume victory after what happened in 2016

They will try the same again should they escape this time.

These people are monsters.

The deal with DUmpmonkiez is A normal person looks at something and sees it in reality. A DUmpmonkie looks at reality and sees something 180* different...

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10. don't underestimate these rat basturds

they have foreign powers working for them, billionaires working for them, voter suppression working for them, the press working for them, wall street banksters working for them. It will take more then elections to throw the bums out and it won't be pretty.



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Star Member rurallib (43,954 posts)
11. With gerrymandering, dark money, voter suppression and unverifiable voting not to forget the Russians will still be hacking, I wouldn't count any chickens until they are hatched and safely sheltered in the House.

These bastards are simply evil

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12. And wait until the MSM gives health care the good old false equivalency treatment.

They will NOT be truthful about how awful the bill is.

I so wish it were otherwise.

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Star Member pnwmom (81,932 posts)
16. Gerrymandering, vote purging, voter ID, Russian hacking. How can you be so sure? nt

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17. I sent an email to my congressman and told him we will not forget.


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Re: DUmpmonkiez claim victory!
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2017, 03:10:29 PM »
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16. Gerrymandering, vote purging, voter ID, Russian hacking. How can you be so sure?

you cant...

 
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Re: DUmpmonkiez claim victory!
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2017, 03:21:17 PM »
Charlie Brown is awaiting that kick.  Who wants to play Lucy this time?
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Re: DUmpmonkiez claim victory!
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2017, 03:29:36 PM »
Anna been smoking bananas ... and :stoner: .

There're a couple more big hurdles - and the Rs damn well better be working on tax cuts/simplification and an actual budget - but this went a long way toward saving R control of the House from the Rs.
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Re: DUmpmonkiez claim victory!
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2017, 07:45:06 PM »
Which 3 states still have ACA exchanges?
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Re: DUmpmonkiez claim victory!
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2017, 08:12:02 PM »
Evidently I just don't understand how that shifts (R) voters to (D)Marxist.   

Well, except  :stoner: :stoner: :stoner:

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17. I sent an email to my congressman and told him we will not forget.

Which does what, cupcake?  It's a (D)Marxist.  It voted no.  What else could it do?  Is your Rep an (R).  You voted for him last time?   ::) ::) ::)

Four consecutive election cycles trended Congress and finally the Presidency, Republican.  What could make those same voters, suddenly, vote for Communists?
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Re: DUmpmonkiez claim victory!
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2017, 08:27:05 PM »
Nobody's happy with it but leaving it alone to fail was even more untenable.  Basically the Dems wouldn't touch it once it passed to fix its problems, and refrained from enforcing its penalty taxes because of the blowback that would happen, but those penalties and their forced participation rate were all that made the financial model for Obozocare work at all.

For structural reasons in the Senate, straight repeal couldn't pass because even if all the GOP Senators agreed, they still wouldn't be able to invoke cloture because zero Dems would vote for it, leaving a budgetary bill and reconciliation as the only viable approach to get a complete bill out of the whole mess.  There is literally nothing that can pass the House and get 60 votes in the Senate as a repeal and replace package, it pretty much has to be fixing it in the budget bill process or nothing.  And 'Nothing' comes home to roost in the mid-cycle elections, because most of the electorate expects whoever controls the House and Senate to fix shit that breaks while they're in office, no matter who broke it.

It was a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.  There are nowhere near enough votes to come remotely close to passing something that would make laissez-faire Capitalist Conservative purists happy.  The moderates in the GOP don't own enough seats to get anything to win a House vote, without either bringing enough Conservative purists or moderate Dems on board, and neither of them want to play for different but related reasons.  Letting it fail completely also results in a lot of GOP seats going bye-bye in 2018.

At this point it's best to get some kind of a partial fix on the most FUBAR parts of Obozocare because the alternative is taking the blame for doing nothing while Rome burns.  Even doing that enrages all the purists on the Right while the Left is screaming bloody murder about how Trump is killing everybody in America.  The best of a lot of bad options is to move it as rapidly as possible and hope the shit calms down in a year, when the mid-term campaigns start kicking off.
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Re: DUmpmonkiez claim victory!
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2017, 03:39:20 AM »
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11. With gerrymandering, dark money, voter suppression and unverifiable voting not to forget the Russians will still be hacking, I wouldn't count any chickens until they are hatched and safely sheltered in the House.

These bastards are simply evil

And just how are you proposing to verify voting? Perhaps via Photo ID? you racist.
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Re: DUmpmonkiez claim victory!
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2017, 05:35:44 AM »
    Star Member annabanana

    And the House is OURS!

    The republicans have delivered the coup de grace on their own party.

    When it dawns on everyone JUST HOW PUNATIVE this bill is, there will be no hope for them.



In real-time actuality, nothing's changed with obamacare.  It's still in its 'people are stupid' format.  There won't be any blame-shift 'on the street'.  It's the Democrats' fault and will stay that way for a generation or two, attitude-wise.

Indies and Repubs will be voting for non-incombent Repubs and conservatives-types. 

The media is the Democratic Party now.  And people hate them.   
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Re: DUmpmonkiez claim victory!
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2017, 07:36:56 AM »
Quote from: 98ZJUSMC on May 04, 2017, 08:12:02 PM
Four consecutive election cycles trended Congress and finally the Presidency, Republican.  What could make those same voters, suddenly, vote for Communists?

The Republicans could. Campaigning like Libertarians, governing like Democrats, and snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Re: DUmpmonkiez claim victory!
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2017, 07:48:40 AM »
Quote from: Big Dog on May 08, 2017, 07:36:56 AM
The Republicans could. Campaigning like Libertarians, governing like Democrats, and snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

That's very true, unfortunately.
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Re: DUmpmonkiez claim victory!
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2017, 04:27:42 PM »
Quote from: Big Dog on May 08, 2017, 07:36:56 AM
The Republicans could. Campaigning like Libertarians, governing like Democrats, and snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Won't occur.  It's never happened in our history.

The media wants you to think Republican voters are squishy that way...   

We'd vote further, or furthest available Right.  Not Left. 

   

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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2017, 09:50:57 AM »
Quote from: Drafe Hoblin on May 08, 2017, 04:27:42 PM
Won't occur.  It's never happened in our history.

The media wants you to think Republican voters are squishy that way...   

We'd vote further, or furthest available Right.  Not Left. 

Read it again. I was talking about the Republican Party, not individual voters.

No matter what, or who, you may vote for, the people you elect govern like Democrats when they have a majority- and you keep letting them.
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