DUmmies to Wander 40 Yrs in Wilderness

[zeitgeist]

Much like the Israelis, the Curse of Obama will remain upon the house of DU and they will wander in the desert until all of their generation is dead before entering the promised land. 

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The Polack MSgt (1,294 posts)

Well Sen. Warren, Sen. Sanders, you're both on the record against Obama and Democratic Party. Nice

I have to assume that people as smart as you both are saying these things on purpose, as part of a messaging strategy. I wonder what goal that strategy is intended to achieve.

Here is my best guess:

I believe that lately you and Senator Sanders have been attempting to garner support among the mythical "Obama/Trump" voting bloc.

I also believe that this plan is a mistake. You are both chasing Bigfoot. As a factor in coming elections, that group is fairy dust - It is a media creation

Trump voters will not vote for you just because you go on the record criticizing Obama.

Attacking mainstream Dems won't make a difference either.

The folks you are playing footsy with happily picked a racist sexist criminal - Because he was better in their opinion than any Democrat - Including you and Senator Sanders.

This winking and nudging flirtation with the white supremacists and misogynists who populate the "economically anxious" is sickening, and is alienating and demotivating people who are actually willing to vote for Democrats. 

So begins their wandering in the Sanders Warren wilderness. 

Star Member smirkymonkey (22,005 posts)
1. Thank YOU!
Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)Mon May 1, 2017, 11:05 AM
chillfactor (4,345 posts)
2. Both of them....
Make me sick to my stomach!
 

Response to chillfactor (Reply #2)Mon May 1, 2017, 11:28 AM
Star Member Kittycow (492 posts)
8. I share the same sentiment as chillfactor. 😝
President Obama can't even catch a break as a private citizen! Even though it might be shortsighted on my part, I can't see myself supporting anyone who's slamming him right now.
It's idiotic to play into the CONservatives hands and just reinforces that you shouldn't vote for a Democrat! With this and still squabbling over BS vs HC, when the hell are we going to look into the future with a successful plan? 

Star Member kcr (10,565 posts)
7. Just who do you think choosing the first black president to target this "valuable counterpoint" with, is meant to appeal to? A president who is still enormously popular. Which audience is supposed to be receptive to this? Yeah... Sorry. The OP is absolutely right.
 

 
Response to kcr (Reply #7)Mon May 1, 2017, 11:36 AM
Star Member BeyondGeography (29,079 posts)
11. So because Obama is black any and all criticisms of him have a racial component?
As such, he is above all criticism, apparently. Let's tie ourselves in knots, yay!
If you listened to Sanders the other day, he prefaced his very gentle comment on the Wall St. speech money by saying President Obama represented this country admirably and he has a lot of respect for him. Every Democrat does. Believe it or not, it's possible to think Obama did a good/very good/great job as President and disagree with him on specific issues.

 
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #11)Mon May 1, 2017, 11:41 AM
Star Member kcr (10,565 posts)
13. Why, thank you for a shining example of who this was meant to appeal to! I always love it when I get help making my points.  But to answer your question, no, of course not. Only the ones that are.

Star Member TheBlackAdder (6,053 posts)
43. +1... And to think, in Poli-Sci courses, it's taught that the GOP is the only Top-Down Organization.A lot have things changed over the past 20 years.

 
Response to snort (Reply #23)Mon May 1, 2017, 02:05 PM
Star Member The Polack MSgt (1,294 posts)
53. More UNITY busllshit snort
The pace of these OPs would probably slow to a crawl if we went a week without being poked in the eye about how Senators Warren and Sanders were saving the soul of the party or other such insulting condescending ****ing assdrool.
Meanwhile regular old Democrats are dismissed as inconvenient to the party or even complicit in some way with the Trump party.
No. ****ing. Way. I Will not be dismissed or hand waved away when I defend my ****ing political party.

 
Response to The Polack MSgt (Reply #53)Mon May 1, 2017, 02:53 PM
snort (1,100 posts)
66. For better or worse, the Democratic Party is a group, not a team.

 
Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)Mon May 1, 2017, 12:56 PM
Bernardo de La Paz (17,187 posts)
24. Can we quit picking at these wounds and have a little more about every Democrat's positives? There is a lot of positive about what Democrats are doing these days.  Let's save the focus of negativity for the Mango Mussolini wannabe and President Bannon-Jarvanka.
 

 
Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)Mon May 1, 2017, 12:58 PM
FairWinds (1,456 posts)
25. lots of us are Bernie and Liz backers . .disappointing that their views are not accepted here.

 
Response to FairWinds (Reply #25)Mon May 1, 2017, 01:07 PM
Star Member brush (11,842 posts)
29. Why is Warren now attacking Obama as having lost sight of the economy...
right after her and Sanders went after him for a speaking fee from CF, a firm that has quite a sterling rep? And btw, apparently she hasn't noticed the jobless rate went down tremendously under Obama, the stock market tripled, the auto industry was saved, the stimulus saved the economy from a much deeper recession . . . And I could go on.
What is it, open season on Obama now?
You'd think she'd know better. The other guy, we've come to expect that from him.

Star Member MountainFool (53 posts)
42. wtf?
What kind of nonsense is this? The OP doesn't link to what the fuss is about (and I've had my head down working), but I've had a long list of problems with both Obama and the Dem party. I'm still furious about super delegates. Back room selection of candidates is just not something I'm ever going to be happy with. And don't get me started on Obama's actions vs. his wonderful speeches.
There is a thing called constructive criticism. We must be strong enough to embrace it, debate and improve. It is not the same as endorsing the opposition. Pretending that Dems are perfect, demanding loyalty to the party, and shouting down anyone that dares to criticize is a well worn path to oblivion.
I seem to remember blind loyalty as being part of the DU terms. I suspect I'll be banned shortly.

 
Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)Mon May 1, 2017, 01:52 PM
Saviolo (1,161 posts)
45. Don't fall for it. Warren is a valuable, active, and influential progressive on the Democratic side of the aisle, and her actions against the banks have raised the ire of wealthy vulture capitalists and bankers. She is becoming the victim of the same sort of smear campaign that the GOP ran against Hillary for over 30 years, and it's extremely well-funded:
http://www.exposedbycmd.org/2017/04/28/whos-behind-the-billionaire-pac-targeting-elizabeth-warren/?utm_content=buffer77093&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 
Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)Mon May 1, 2017, 01:54 PM
lovemydogs (58 posts)
47. I just posted something regarding why Hillary lost. Many Trump voters were indeed Obama supporters.  There are studies from Democratic groups coming out and their findings are the opposite of what is posted here.

Love my dogs better start learning this one:

[zeitgeist]

Opps missed the link:  [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pw9-cz9uMs[/youtube]

[Carl]

Response to kcr (Reply #7)Mon May 1, 2017, 11:36 AM
Star Member BeyondGeography (29,079 posts)
11. So because Obama is black any and all criticisms of him have a racial component?
As such, he is above all criticism, apparently. Let's tie ourselves in knots, yay!
If you listened to Sanders the other day, he prefaced his very gentle comment on the Wall St. speech money by saying President Obama represented this country admirably and he has a lot of respect for him. Every Democrat does. Believe it or not, it's possible to think Obama did a good/very good/great job as President and disagree with him on specific issues.

Welcome to the dumbocrat party.

[SVPete]

I don't know what might get the D Party back into winning ways - from my POV it would take a master craftsman turd-polisher. I think, however, that pretending that Obama was any better than a near-total failure and The CHILL other than the most corrupt, inept, and arrogant Presidential candidate EVER would be almost the worst possible strategy (continuing the narrative that Trump voters were a bunch of misogynistic racists would be worse, and doing both would arguably be the worst possible strategy).

[thundley4]

Well Sen. Warren, Sen. Sanders, you're both on the record against Obama and Democratic Party.

Oh yes, Obama did so much to enrich the democrat party. Historic losses across the country, even in blue states.

Face it DUmmies, the only people enriched by Obama's residency in the White House were fat cat donors and the Obamas.

[jukin]

"messaging strategy" = "lying to fool LIVs", i.e. democrat voters

[Adam Wood]

Wealthy white fake Indian woman who gets paid $650,000 for a one-hour class to teach snowflake SJWs to hate the successful criticizes racist half-Black failure President for taking $400,000 in speaking fees.  DUmp melts down.

There are some nice revelations, though.

Attacking mainstream Dems won't make a difference either.

So, at least you admit that the stark-raving moonbat wing of the Democrats are now the "mainstream" of the party.  Too bad for you that you can't see that this is why you're reduced to being a regional-at-best party now.

11. So because Obama is black any and all criticisms of him have a racial component?

Yeah, welcome to ten years ago, DUmmie.