I'm seeing a bunch of articles about "Hillbillies" & other rural whites...

[dutch508]

Star Member The Polack MSgt (1,244 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172202959

I'm seeing a bunch of articles about "Hillbillies" & other rural whites...

More than I care to and way more than I ever thought I would.

I feel compelled to comment, since the tone of most of these essays seems clueless and dismissive of what I feel are obvious motivations for their behavior. Writing a treatise on rural white folk with the attitude of a 1930's National Geographic magazine discussing a newfound Amazon tribe does us no damn good.

So what led so many white folks to rally around a racist and incompetent sexual predator?

First off, I am not here to bash them, hell I am them.

Second, just remember that no amount of "understanding" absolves them - They ****ing poured arsenic in the water because they assumed only "other people" would have to drink it. Like John Scalzi said - empathy not sympathy. So let me chew your ear for a minute...

I was raised in coal country and I live in corn country now.

As a teen/young adult I watched amazed as Reagan got away with putting a black face on government services and demonizing labor unions.

He did it to tap into the hatred and distrust bubbling under the surface of my neighbors and cousins. And it worked.

I was dumbfounded when almost overnight mill workers and miners abandoned the party that did more to raise their standard of living than any republican ever even tried to do.

Because of Cadillac driving welfare queens. Atheists. Mexicans.

And the absolute ace in the hole since forever - Democrats will take your guns. Yes that is a big deal. A very big deal.

You can take all your arguments and shove them because if the government doesn't trust us - the God fearing patriots in (fill in the blank West Virginia, Kentucky, Missouri, Pennsylvania or wherever) then we can't trust them. Your logic and statistics do not make a dent and never will.

We grew up with guns. We all own some, and all 35 years of pushing for gun control has accomplished is now instead of a deer rifle a 22 a shotgun and maybe a 38 revolver my cousins have multiple pistols and AR and AK rifles as well.

For my family deer season was really harvest season. Between the uncles (and one Aunt), cousins, my dad and I - we filled several freezers with meat that we ate through out the year. Gun control was an immediate hackle raiser with all of us.

I won't down play the racism though... It's racist as **** in the Appalachians and 45 tapped into that vein even harder than Reagan

oh for ****'s face.

Star Member The Polack MSgt (1,244 posts)
2. I'm not saying that this mind set is 100% correct or...

Even 100% rational given that the people who peddle single issue politics are usually doing so to hide policies that harm the very folks they are riling up.

What I am saying is even though the Democratic Party can say that we just want "common sense" gun laws, someone will always publish an article calling for bans and confiscation of the latest "Public Menace" guns. These get passed around as proof positive that we cannot trust the Libtards on guns and any action is just the first step to storm troopers kicking in our doors.

More than gay rights, more than abortion, 1000% more than trans people in bathrooms of their choice - It is GUNS and RACISM pushing my neighbors and cousins into the Trump tent

Star Member democratisphere (2,045 posts)
3. Interesting how drumpf tapped into the darker side of people's souls.

He was able to do that because of his very own darkest soul. How long should there be excuses for this kind of self-destructive behavior? Accepting that it has always been this way will insure that it always stays that way. People can rise above their situation but it requires a ton of effort. The world can be a sh'tty place but if we don't change, we will all be condemned to our current situation or worse. Democrats have done more for the greater good of all people including those in rural areas. republiCONs prove day after day that they don't give a damn about their constituents unless they have multiple millions or multiple billions.

Star Member pablo_marmol (2,136 posts)
6. Great post. Many of us are great at *posing* tolerant.

Last edited Thu Mar 23, 2017, 01:11 AM - Edit history (1)

It never ceases to amaze me that many Democrats are perfectly comfortable with 'exotic' past-times (for lack of a better word) like transvestite cabaret, while they lose their shit over a relatively banal activity such as folks target shooting with "military-style" rifles. Insane! This is the only area that I can think of where we earn the slur.... "Liberals are not just stupid -- they're insane."

It only took one summer on the farm where my father grew up to forever change my world view, and recognize the nasty culture war that so many that agree with me on all other issues dish out. My dad's family needed a small caliber rifle for varmints, and perhaps borrowed a larger rifle when they had to put down cattle that had been seriously injured.

And the absolute ace in the hole since forever - Democrats will take your guns. Yes that is a big deal. A very big deal.

Democrats, generally, will never appreciate how dishonest they've been w/regard to the subject of gun violence because they can't deal with the possibility that our side has been just as dishonest as the GOP has been on other issues -- and the political damage that has resulted. The "assault weapon" angst being possibly the #1 Democrat killer, given that these rifles are seldom used to commit murder, and are "banned" based on appearance rather than function. Good Dog --- how frightfully stupid.

Your post gave me some comfort today -- comfort that I've really needed lately. Thank you for that. It's nice to know that some Dems get it.

Star Member pablo_marmol (2,136 posts)
8. Face palm

Right, oneshooter -- is never is.

Dog help us. As I'm sure many here have noticed, shortly after Clinton's defeat Chuckie was still babbling about maintaining the party's core values -- among them, "gun control". There just doesn't appear to be an end in sight for the cessation of the stoopid. If we put up another Corporadem in 2020 while pushing our chronic stoopid, it'll be lights out for the Democratic Party, and hence the nation.

 

[98ZJUSMC]

So laughably stupid. 

The Polack MSgt (1,244 posts)

Uh - huh....   

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I was dumbfounded when almost overnight mill workers and miners abandoned the party that did more to raise their standard of living than any republican ever even tried to do.

Because of Cadillac driving welfare queens. Atheists. Mexicans.

They sure do spend a lot of time bemoaning the loss of votes from people they deem hopelessly racist.

And it's always accompanied by proclamations of how much they previously benefitted those very same people they assure us have always been racist.

How come?

[Carl]

Star Member democratisphere (2,045 posts)
3. Interesting how drumpf tapped into the darker side of people's souls.

He was able to do that because of his very own darkest soul. How long should there be excuses for this kind of self-destructive behavior? Accepting that it has always been this way will insure that it always stays that way. People can rise above their situation but it requires a ton of effort. The world can be a sh'tty place but if we don't change, we will all be condemned to our current situation or worse. Democrats have done more for the greater good of all people including those in rural areas. republiCONs prove day after day that they don't give a damn about their constituents unless they have multiple millions or multiple billions.

The insane irony of this from a political ideology that has nothing but greed,envy and hatred of anyone deemed successful has its foundation. 

[SVPete]

I was dumbfounded when almost overnight mill workers and miners abandoned the party that did more to raise their standard of living than any republican ever even tried to do.

Would those "mill workers" be the steel mill workers whose jobs the Ds & Enviros drove out of the US?

Would those "mill workers" be the lumber mill workers whose jobs the Ds & Enviros drove out of the US?

Would those "miners" be the coal miners whose employers Obama and The CHILL promised to drive out of business?

Would those "miners" be the miners of various metals whose mines were shut down by the Ds' & Enviros' regs?

[I_B_Perky]

Star Member The Polack MSgt (1,244 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172202959

I'm seeing a bunch of articles about "Hillbillies" & other rural whites...

More than I care to and way more than I ever thought I would.

I feel compelled to comment, since the tone of most of these essays seems clueless and dismissive of what I feel are obvious motivations for their behavior. Writing a treatise on rural white folk with the attitude of a 1930's National Geographic magazine discussing a newfound Amazon tribe does us no damn good.

So what led so many white folks to rally around a racist and incompetent sexual predator?

First off, I am not here to bash them, hell I am them.

First off, no you are not one of us.

Second off, you proceed to bash the ones you claim that you are part of.  Liar.  You never, ever lived in coal country. If I have to explain it to you, then I know you are not now, and never have been, "one of us".  As far as I am concerned you can get run over by a semi and taste your own blood as you die a painful death.

So come over her and explain it to me, dummie.  I guarendamntee you I will burn you a new asshole.

[thundley4]

DUmmies and democratics in general don't understand a simple fact.  Hillbillies and rednecks are not defined by geographical location.

I live in a small city/large town of 70K plus and there are lots of conservatives in the area.

[Ralph Wiggum]

$kimmer might need a new hamster to power the projector at the DUmp.

[zeitgeist]

$kimmer might need a new hamster to power the projector at the DUmp.

$kimmer must be getting a bit tight on cash now mama bear is no longer on the Hillary dole, right?

[SVPete]

They ****ing poured arsenic in the water because they assumed only "other people" would have to drink it.

I'm aware of the mine tailings containment pond Obama's EPA breached, polluting an entire river. And I'm aware of the arsenic-polluted wells in Bangladesh dug in the 70s by the incompetent UN (I've read that as many as 20% of Bangladesh's population suffers from arsenic poisoning). But WTH is TPMS talking about?

[jukin]

I'm aware of the mine tailings containment pond Obama's EPA breached, polluting an entire river. And I'm aware of the arsenic-polluted wells in Bangladesh dug in the 70s by the incompetent UN (I've read that as many as 20% of Bangladesh's population suffers from arsenic poisoning). But WTH is TPMS talking about?

Did we stop when the National Socialists bombed Pearl Harbor?

He's on a roll.

[SVPete]

Did we stop when the National Socialists bombed Pearl Harbor?

He's on a roll.

Dinner?

[Skul]

Did we stop when the National Socialists bombed Pearl Harbor?

                                                          

Anddd .... a for you.   :

[Adam Wood]

I'm aware of the mine tailings containment pond Obama's EPA breached, polluting an entire river. And I'm aware of the arsenic-polluted wells in Bangladesh dug in the 70s by the incompetent UN (I've read that as many as 20% of Bangladesh's population suffers from arsenic poisoning). But WTH is TPMS talking about?

It's a piss-poor DUmmie attempt at a metaphor, the "poisoned well" metaphor specifically.

The DUmmie thinks it's witty because that dovetails into another typical DUmmie fantasy: if you don't devote yourself entirely to the global warming alarmist cult, then that means that you actually want dioxin in your drinking water and your air un-breathable.  Dingbat Nancy Pelosi made this claim a week or so ago (in reference to Gorsuch), but it's actually been floating around in Leftist circles for a decade or more as an attempt to link global warming with actual protection of the environment.  It's why the new claim is that carbon dioxide is pollution, and yet none of the adherants of this cult are willing to off themselves to stop adding to that pollution.

[SVPete]

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The DUmmie thinks it's witty because that dovetails into another typical DUmmie fantasy: if you don't devote yourself entirely to the global warming alarmist cult, then that means that you actually want dioxin in your drinking water and your air un-breathable.  Dingbat Nancy Pelosi made this claim a week or so ago (in reference to Gorsuch), but it's actually been floating around in Leftist circles for a decade or more as an attempt to link global warming with actual protection of the environment.  It's why the new claim is that carbon dioxide is pollution, and yet none of the adherants of this cult are willing to off themselves to stop adding to that pollution.

This all-or-nothing, with-us-or-against us, fallacy has been a staple among Enviros since the late 1960s, that I can remember.