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California received $34.5 billion from the stimulus

BY: Elizabeth Harrington   Follow @LizWFB
February 16, 2017

The 2009 stimulus package funded millions of dollars for safety improvements for a dam in California that was in “good shape,” but not to the Oroville Dam that is now on the verge of a spillway crisis.

Nearly 200,000 residents north of Sacramento were ordered to evacuate after fears that erosion would cause the emergency spillway to fail, which would lead to “catastrophic flooding“ from a 30-foot wall of water.

Despite more than a decade of warnings about Oroville, there is no public record of the country’s tallest dam receiving any of the more than $34 billion from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act sent to California for infrastructure projects.

Over $22 million in stimulus funds did go toward safety improvements to the Folsom Dam, which was described as in “good shape” at the time the grant was awarded in 2009.

The stimulus was intended to “shore up the nation’s aging infrastructure,” said former representative Mike Thompson, a Democrat who served California’s 1st District where the Oroville dam is located before being redistricted to the 5th.

Thompson lauded numerous stimulus projects, which included $2.2 million for “more attractive” sidewalks and $2.5 million for a 205-acre “zero net energy” community on the University of California Davis campus to put a greater “emphasis on walking” and bicycling.

Warnings about the Oroville Dam have persisted for decades. The dam came within one foot of overflowing in 1997, and three environmental groups unsuccessfully attempted to force the federal government in 2005 to reinforce the emergency spillway with concrete, instead of the “earthen hillside” that is receiving round-the-clock attention to keep from failing.

The California Department of Water Resources denied that it had failed to heed concerns about the emergency spillway.

Gov. Jerry Brown asked for roughly $162 million for cleanup from flooding, and cost estimates to repair the Oroville Dam’s emergency spillway could run as high as $200 million. President Donald Trump approved an emergency declaration order for California Tuesday evening, which authorizes the Federal Emergency Management Agency to provide assistance.

Gov. Brown’s list outlining priority infrastructure projects for the state his office released just last week also included funding for Folsom, but not Oroville.

The emergency evacuation order that affected 188,000 residents was lifted Tuesday, but over 125 construction crews are still working to reinforce the spillways as more rainstorms are forecasted this week.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/obama-stimulus-funds-went-california-dam-good-shape-not-oroville/

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We know now that Oroville should have been upgraded; probably the Oroville, Folsom, and Nimbus Dams all should have been. BUT with what was known in 2009 the decision was more rational than the Free Beacon reports. Having lived through winter 1996-1997, that was a monster! There was massive flooding, sections of Interstate 5 were shut down, yada, yada, yada. In light of that, being 1 foot short of spilling over the auxiliary spillway would have been seen as a vindication of the designed capacity of the main spillway. And as I mentioned elsewhere, winter 2004-2005 was another monster, and again, a vindication of the dam design.

Folsom Lake is much smaller than Lake Oroville, so why would that be a particular concern? A look at a map provides a simple answer. Folsom lake is no mere pond, and immediately downstream is Lake Natomas, also man-made. The map would show something else. Lake Natomas is situated in suburbs of Sacramento. A failure of Folsom Dam would swiftly precipitate a failure of the Nimbus Dam, and massive flood waters would sweep into Sacramento and its suburbs. There is no ~60,000 acre Yolo Bypass type flood diversion area between Folsom Lake and Natomas Lake, nor between Natomas Lake and Fairoaks, Carmichael and Rancho Cordova. The Nimbus Dam is right at the border of the cities of Orangevale and Fairoaks, in those cities.

If you follow the map downstream, you see the American River flows near CSU Sacramento, and joins the Sacramento River just above the State Capitol (which, obviously, is surrounded by numerous government buildings). It also flows under the I-5 bridge over the American River, would probably affect the I-80 bridge over the Sacramento River, and under the I Street and Tower Bridges into Sacramento. If one puts sarcastic joking aside, a failure of the Folsom Dam could devastate the central hub of Interstate transportation through California. The next nearest east-west Interstates are in LA and Portland. US 50 would probably be shut down, and SR58 out of Bakersfield is not suitable for high volume traffic (I've driven it many times).

I'm not saying the decision made in 2009 was correct, only that the decision was not irrational, and that all 3 dams should have been upgraded. And if you can't tell, ignorant, armchair, 20-40 hindsight criticisms like this article - ignorance easily mitigated by staring at a map for 50 or 10 minutes - do get me a little POed.

Once again, one or two sentences of thoughtless ignorance - I'm not criticizing you, H2BM - takes a "lengthy post" to demonstrate the thoughtlessness and ignorance.

ETA: It occurred to me, in the Free Beacon article, the words "Good Shape" when used to describe Folsom Dam are in quotes, suggesting it was so described by some official document. How was the Oroville Dam described in the same or similar documents in 2009. Is this a dog-that-didn't-bark omission? An omission that makes the 2009 decision less irrational than the Free Beacon is suggesting?
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Folsom Lake is much smaller than Lake Oroville, so why would that be a particular concern? A look at a map provides a simple answer. Folsom lake is no mere pond, and immediately downstream is Lake Natomas, also man-made. The map would show something else. Lake Natomas is situated in suburbs of Sacramento. A failure of Folsom Dam would swiftly precipitate a failure of the Nimbus Dam, and massive flood waters would sweep into Sacramento and its suburbs. There is no ~60,000 acre Yolo Bypass type flood diversion area between Folsom Lake and Natomas Lake, nor between Natomas Lake and Fairoaks, Carmichael and Rancho Cordova. The Nimbus Dam is right at the border of the cities of Orangevale and Fairoaks, in those cities.


Once again, one or two sentences of thoughtless ignorance - I'm not criticizing you, H2BM - takes a "lengthy post" to demonstrate the thoughtlessness and ignorance.

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Just two years ago, the entire state of California was in a state of drought emergency.  I recall sitting in a nice restaurant on the beach not far from Fort Bragg talking to the owner who asked for and was refused a permit for just TWO MORE TABLES.  Mendocino County turned him down because the county could NOT provide any more water - FOR JUST TWO TABLES.

As I said, California has squandered BILLIONS into illegal aliens when they should have been expanding existing lakes, causeways, aqueducts, dams and spillways in the drought years to capture water in wet years.

Why don't Californians do something about this?

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Just two years ago, the entire state of California was in a state of drought emergency.  I recall sitting in a nice restaurant on the beach not far from Fort Bragg talking to the owner who asked for and was refused a permit for just TWO MORE TABLES.  Mendocino County turned him down because the county could NOT provide any more water - FOR JUST TWO TABLES.

As I said, California has squandered BILLIONS into illegal aliens when they should have been expanding existing lakes, causeways, aqueducts, dams and spillways in the drought years to capture water in wet years.

Why don't Californians do something about this?

I knew Fort Bragg was a big installation but I didn't know it stretched all the way to California.  :whistling:
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Fortress Bragg, California?

Fort Bragg is a coastal city along State Route 1 in Mendocino County, California. It is 24 miles west of Willits, at an elevation of 85 feet. A California Historical Landmark, the city was founded prior to the American Civil War as a military garrison rather than a fortification. Fort Bragg is a tourist destination because of its picturesque views of the Pacific Ocean. Its population was 7,273 at the 2010 census.

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I can't believe the californicators haven't changed the name yet.

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Just two years ago, the entire state of California was in a state of drought emergency.  I recall sitting in a nice restaurant on the beach not far from Fort Bragg talking to the owner who asked for and was refused a permit for just TWO MORE TABLES.  Mendocino County turned him down because the county could NOT provide any more water - FOR JUST TWO TABLES.

As I said, California has squandered BILLIONS into illegal aliens when they should have been expanding existing lakes, causeways, aqueducts, dams and spillways in the drought years to capture water in wet years.

Why don't Californians do something about this?

An empty virtue-signalling symbol by Mendocino County, since - as you probably could tell by looking around you - Fort Bragg and the rest of the county are not connected to the water systems that supply the Central Valley and Southern California. The Noyo River, which flows through Fort Bragg, the Navarro River, and the Gualala River all flow out of the Coast Range Mountains into the Pacific Ocean.

As for social program funds going to illegals, look up Proposition 187 in W'pedia. Generally speaking, CA voters are divided among koolaid pourers, koolaid drinkers, and frustrated outvoted conservatives. But there are times when ballot propositions like 187 or 8 get passed. CA voters have reaffirmed the death penalty 2 or 3 times, as of 2016.

I knew Fort Bragg was a big installation but I didn't know it stretched all the way to California.  :whistling:

Ironically, both are named for General Braxton Bragg who served the Confederacy in the Civil War. In the case of Fort Bragg, CA, it was so named to honor his service in the Mexican American War. I'm surprised the locals haven't realized it and changed the name in horror. Or maybe the locals haven't drunk that deeply of the PC-koolaid.
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Ironically, both are named for General Braxton Bragg who served the Confederacy in the Civil War. In the case of Fort Bragg, CA, it was so named to honor his service in the Mexican American War. I'm surprised the locals haven't realized it and changed the name in horror. Or maybe the locals haven't drunk that deeply of the PC-koolaid.

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If you ever get a chance, and enjoy good wine, do the Skunk Train annual wine festival out of Ft. Bragg.  The last one I went to was in the month of October.  I don't know when they are going to have another one.

https://www.skunktrain.com/

https://www.mendocino.com/mendocino-crab-wine-days-festival.html

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The problem here, regardless of the actual accuracy or completeness of the OP article, is that this sort of idiotic waste (whether real or not in this particular case) was absolutely endemic to failulous, which makes this article readily believable.

I am, at this moment, located about a mile away from a multi-change intersection that includes, I think, the tallest fly-over in the state of Tennessee.  This particular interchange was built starting in about 2007 and completed in late 2008 (November or December, as I recall) at a cost of several hundred million dollars.

Along comes failulous just a short time later.  Were the myriad over-utilized and/or under-sized small bridges and railroad trestles upgraded with all of that money flowing directly into the black hole of Democrat cronyism?  Nope.  With the paint for the road striping barely even dry on the brand new interchange, they tore the whole thing down and re-built it, with the only thing different being that now they had the "O" signs posted prominently, telling everyone crawling through traffic there that this was how their taxpayer dollars were being wasted.

I have little doubt that this same scenario repeated itself in many other places besides Nashville.  As such, the OP article is completely believable as a fantastic waste of money serving no purpose other than as a very expensive monument to government stupidity.  That may not be the whole story in the case of this particular article (as Pete pointed out), but the fact that one could readily believe this level of stupidity is disheartening, to say the least.

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If you ever get a chance, and enjoy good wine, do the Skunk Train annual wine festival out of Ft. Bragg.  The last one I went to was in the month of October.  I don't know when they are going to have another one.

https://www.skunktrain.com/

https://www.mendocino.com/mendocino-crab-wine-days-festival.html

One year in the mid-60s my parents and I rode the Super Skunk (the steam locomotive  train) from Fort Bragg to Willits and back. It was gorgeous! Most years when I was growing up we vacationed at a little place a few miles south of Point Arena (back when the location of the very pricey Whale Watch Inn was blackberries allowed to go wild, yum!). Beach access was stairs/path down the face of a cliff.

Nowadays, well, there are trail runs in Jenner, Gualala, and Fort Bragg I'd dearly love to do, and there's a half marathon in the Eureka-Arcata area that's calling my name.
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