Minnesota Moses suggests the primitives quit wasting their time

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028654603

And the hoary old guy's right.

MineralMan (90,637 posts)     Wed Feb 15, 2017, 01:16 PM

How A President Leaves Office - The Only Possibilities
 
1. The President Resigns - That possibility is always open. Few have made that choice. Nixon did.
2. The President Gets Impeached and Removed - The House impeaches; the Senate removes the President. Also rare.
3. The President Dies - This has happened several times in history.
4. The President Becomes Incapacitated - The 25th Amendment covers this, along with the process of replacement.
5. The President Gets Raptured - Same as dying. Hasn't ever happened. Won't ever happen.
6. The President's Term in Office Ends - After two terms, there is no option. After one, he could not run or lose. This is the most common way a President leaves office.

Those are the only ways a President leaves office. There are no others. Here are some of the ways that some people on DU have suggested that the President be removed. All are impossible. All are a waste of discussion time and space.

1. The Election Is Nullified - That can't happen. The Constitution has no provision for nullifying an election. We have to follow the Constitution.
2. A New Election Is Held - See above. There is no provision for having a new election for President. We have presidential elections every four years. There are no other options.
3. A New President Is Appointed - By whom? There is no person or body with the power to do that.
4. Hold a Constitutional Convention or Amend the Constitution - By the time such a thing was done, the term of office would have ended. We have had only one Constitutional Convention. We could have another, but it would take years. Amendments also take years to complete and go into effect.
5. Have the Military Remove the President - Such a thing would end our Constitutional government and replace it with a military dictatorship. I don't think that's a very good idea at all.
6. Convict the President of Treason - See #2 in the first list. The only body that can try and convict a President is Congress.

That's it. We have various ways to replace our President, but only those ways. If we discuss ways that cannot happen, we waste our time. I suggest that anyone considering any method other than the ones in the first list should read the Constitution for understanding and rethink their idea. There is no point in discussing impossible plans on DU. 

You go, Mose.

FSogol (32,693 posts)      Wed Feb 15, 2017, 01:19 PM

3. Good post, some folks around here think the Constitution has a "do over" provision.

MineralMan (90,637 posts)      Wed Feb 15, 2017, 01:20 PM

6. Some people appear to have never read the Constitution.
 
It's short, really. It's online. Anyone can read it. 

The Velveteen Ocelot (48,884 posts)      Wed Feb 15, 2017, 01:25 PM

13. I am often surprised at how much people, including DUers, *don't* know
 
about the Constitution and our legal and governmental systems in general. All kinds of goofy notions turn up on a regular basis, and I start wondering where folks were during their middle school civics classes. Yes, it's boring stuff at that age, but it's not so hard to go online and look stuff up before going off about recall elections for the presidency and let's get rid of the electoral college before 2020 and let's install Hillary as president because she won the popular vote, and on and on... 

MineralMan (90,637 posts)      Wed Feb 15, 2017, 01:35 PM

21. Yes, and DU is home to people who should know better.
 
That's the reason for this post, really. We need to stop wasting our time and energy on silliness.

93 replies, 2281 views

[DumbAss Tanker]

I'm shocked, he posted something that was cogent, actually made sense, and was not filled with blind rage.  Will wonders never cease?

[Carl]

Does George not understand that our moles post crazy crap (what does it say when that is the safest way to avoid detection) to get the genuine idiots at the DUmp to show their stupid?

[SVPete]

MineralMan (90,637 posts)      Wed Feb 15, 2017, 01:35 PM

21. Yes, and DU is home to people who should know better.
 
That's the reason for this post, really. We need to stop wasting our time and energy on silliness.

  I'll leave to others who frequent DU to guesstimate #s and %s, but I suspect a significant part of DU's volume since being defibrillated back into existence has been exactly that kind of "silliness" (one of the few points on which MM and I agree).

[DLR Pyro]

MineralMan (90,637 posts)     Wed Feb 15, 2017, 01:16 PM

How A President Leaves Office - The Only Possibilities
 
1. The President Resigns - That possibility is always open. Few have made that choice. Nixon did.
2. The President Gets Impeached and Removed - The House impeaches; the Senate removes the President. Also rare.
3. The President Dies - This has happened several times in history.
4. The President Becomes Incapacitated - The 25th Amendment covers this, along with the process of replacement.
5. The President Gets Raptured - Same as dying. Hasn't ever happened. Won't ever happen.
6. The President's Term in Office Ends - After two terms, there is no option. After one, he could not run or lose. This is the most common way a President leaves office.

Did you post this public service announcement 4 weeks into obama's first term?

[BlueStateSaint]

I'm shocked, he posted something that was cogent, actually made sense, and was not filled with blind rage.  Will wonders never cease?

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day . . .

[Karin]

Does George not understand that our moles post crazy crap (what does it say when that is the safest way to avoid detection) to get the genuine idiots at the DUmp to show their stupid?

  Exactly right!

Response to MineralMan (Original post)
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 01:28 PM
 HassleCat (6,358 posts)
17. I think they may kill him.

Seriously. It could be their best option. They would avoid the disgrace of impeachment, and gain extra sympathy points that always accompany a president dying in office. He's 70 years old, so they could make it appear to be a heart attack, etc. The best thing would be to add a touch of martyrdom, perhaps a heart attack brought on by the stress of fighting a war against some small, defenseless Muslim enclave. It would be the perfect exit strategy, and the intelligence community would be very willing to help.

Here's someone who paid no attention at all to the original lecture:

Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #24)
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 01:48 PM
 MacKasey (6 posts)
29. What about

Pense resigns, Hillary is appointed vice-president, Trump resigns/impeached, Hillary is President

Response to MineralMan (Original post)
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 01:52 PM
 hurple (128 posts)
32. He could also leave office

Through the door marked "exit"

Or, through a window.

Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #45)
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 02:17 PM
butdiduvote (123 posts)
57. I'm with you

I'll be enraged all I want. I will also express my views that there SHOULD be a way to nullify a stolen election all I want. I don't need anyone to lecture me on a lack of a constitutional mechanism for doing so. I'm not that stupid.

Response to MineralMan (Original post)
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 02:43 PM
 Hula Popper (260 posts)
72. Please correct me if I'm wrong

aren't treason, profiteering , murder and war crimes punishable by death?

Hell, we can take rump's cabinet and throw in W's also...strip their wealth and
their organs.
**** republicans!

[YupItsMe]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028654603
MineralMan (90,637 posts)     Wed Feb 15, 2017, 01:16 PM

How A President Leaves Office - The Only Possibilities
 
1. The President Resigns - That possibility is always open. Few have made that choice. Nixon did.
2. The President Gets Impeached and Removed - The House impeaches; the Senate removes the President. Also rare.
3. The President Dies - This has happened several times in history.
4. The President Becomes Incapacitated - The 25th Amendment covers this, along with the process of replacement.
5. The President Gets Raptured - Same as dying. Hasn't ever happened. Won't ever happen.
6. The President's Term in Office Ends - After two terms, there is no option. After one, he could not run or lose. This is the most common way a President leaves office.
And the hoary old guy's right.

You go, Mose.

  I don't know but I'm thinking #5 is a possibility, although the next 1,000 years might not be that much fum for you DUmmies.   

[DLR Pyro]

butdiduvote (123 posts)
57. I'm with you

I'll be enraged all I want. I will also express my views that there SHOULD be a way to nullify a stolen election all I want.

how about starting off by proving your claims that the election was stolen.

[franksolich]

I'm shocked, he posted something that was cogent, actually made sense, and was not filled with blind rage.  Will wonders never cease?

Well, okay, I suppose we should be happy with that; it's far more than what any primitive's ever said about the matter before, and given his eminence on Skins's island, I'm sure the primitives will listen to Minnesota Moses.

But still, while it's probably too much for which to hope, I wish he would've also said making posts urging the impeachment of the President are pretty much a waste of time unless the primitive cites reasons for possible impeachment.  "Impeach Trump," and then signing off without giving any reasons why, doesn't cut it.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Well, okay, I suppose we should be happy with that; it's far more than what any primitive's ever said about the matter before, and given his eminence on Skins's island, I'm sure the primitives will listen to Minnesota Moses.

But still, while it's probably too much for which to hope, I wish he would've also said making posts urging the impeachment of the President are pretty much a waste of time unless the primitive cites reasons for possible impeachment.  "Impeach Trump," and then signing off without giving any reasons why, doesn't cut it.

Oh, I have no expectation he'll repeat it any time soon.  It's more of a combination total solar eclipse, third payday in the month, and finding a $20 on the ground all on the same day kind of thing.  Relating to BSS's comment, Hopalong's average is Waaaaayyyyy below the 'Stopped clock' level.

[SVPete]

butdiduvote (123 posts)
57. I'm with you

I'll be enraged all I want. I will also express my views that there SHOULD be a way to nullify a stolen election all I want.

Well hello, Veruca Salt! You bad egg. BTW, why are you asking your hind quarters if they voted?

[98ZJUSMC]

MineralMan (90,637 posts)      Wed Feb 15, 2017, 01:35 PM

21. Yes, and DU is home to people who should know better.
 
That's the reason for this post, really. We need to stop wasting our time and energy on silliness.

You don't say..........

I'll leave to others who frequent DU to guesstimate #s and %s, but I suspect a significant part of DU's volume since being defibrillated back into existence has been exactly that kind of "silliness" (one of the few points on which MM and I agree).

<90%

[BlueStateSaint]

Hopalong's average is Waaaaayyyyy below the 'Stopped clock' level.

I thought it was Rock Head we were talking about . . .

[USA4ME]

The Velveteen Ocelot

I am often surprised at how much people, including DUers, *don't* know about the Constitution and our legal and governmental systems in general.

Wow! I'm not. I'm more surprised when they accidentally get something right.

But you primitives are the poster children for stupid. And that goes double for you, TVO primitive.

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[Ptarmigan]

A broken clock gets it right sometimes.

[98ZJUSMC]

Did you post this public service announcement 4 weeks into obama's first term?

[Adam Wood]

How A President Leaves Office - The Only Possibilities
 
1. The President Resigns - That possibility is always open. Few have made that choice. Nixon did.

By "few," you mean "one."

2. The President Gets Impeached and Removed - The House impeaches; the Senate removes the President. Also rare.

By "rare" you mean "never."

3. The President Dies - This has happened several times in history.

This one you actually got correct.

4. The President Becomes Incapacitated - The 25th Amendment covers this, along with the process of replacement.

Yes and no.  Amendment XXV does provide for putting someone in the position of Acting President, but it doesn't actually remove the current President from office.  The Amendment actually only provides for a substitute, not really a removal from office per se.

5. The President Gets Raptured - Same as dying. Hasn't ever happened. Won't ever happen.

You don't actually know that this will never happen, but regardless, in the event of a Rapture, the President will most certainly be the very least of your worries.

6. The President's Term in Office Ends - After two terms, there is no option. After one, he could not run or lose. This is the most common way a President leaves office.

Actually essentially correct.

[SVPete]

...
By "rare" you mean "never."
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You don't actually know that this will never happen, but regardless, in the event of a Rapture, the President will most certainly be the very least of your worries.
...

It's common for people to conflate impeachment with removal from office after being impeached. "Impeach" means accuse. The House has impeached two Presidents. The Senate did not vote either out of office. We all know this, but for the sake of any DU onlurkers ...

I seriously doubt MM has much familiarity with Dispensational theology. He's just tossing around a term he's heard. For that matter, like most DU-folk, he's probably just one step away from thinking "Evangelical" is a flavor of Jello ( ).