This could get really intresting.
420inTN (640 posts) Sat Aug-09-08 09:04 AM
Original message http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3431196
Georgia declares state of war with Russia
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TBLISI, Georgia (CNN) -- Georgia declared a state of war Saturday as fierce battles with Russia military over the breakaway region of South Ossetia entered their second day.
Russia has launched a full-scale military invasion of Georgia, President Mikhail Saakashvili said during a brief news conference Saturday afternoon.
"We are dealing with absolutely criminal and crazy acts of irresponsible and reckless decision makers, which is on the ground producing dramatic and tragic consequences," Saakashvili said.
Saakashvili compared the Russian invasion, which he called unprovoked, to the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/09/georgia.osse...
bemildred (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-09-08 09:13 AM
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1. "We are dealing with absolutely criminal and crazy acts of irresponsible and reckless ..."
Got that right, anyway.
Maybe you could bring articles of impeachment to the UN?
bemildred (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-09-08 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. The old head-fake, and then "shock and awe".
I think the neocons have misjudged the situation, once again.
TEH ROVE started it!!!
bemildred (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-09-08 11:13 AM
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20. My theory is cowardice.
It's one thing to kill arbitrary numbers of people who are "not like we are", and another thing entirely for the pampered elites to put their own asses at risk. Of course, there is always some fool who thinks he cannot be reached ...
How very soviet of you.
bemildred (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-09-08 11:25 AM
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28. The Ledeen Doctrine
"Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business."
Now that we're getting to the nub on Iran, let's talk a bit about one of the biggest failures of the Iraq operation. Iraq was, by demonstrating the resolve of the United States, supposed to eliminate the need for military action in Iran and North Korea. The failure of the Iraq operation on this count is total; if Iraq becomes a democratic, secular paradise tomorrow, it will still have failed to terrify our enemies around the world into submission.
The situations in Iran and North Korea have deteriorated considerably since 2003. North Korea either has nuclear weapons or the means to produce them. Iran has not become more receptive to our demands; indeed, conservative elements have grown consistently stronger since before the Iraq operation. The only success that supporters of the Iraq operation have on this count is the decision of Libya to give up its weapons. This is a bad joke, of course and suffers from the post hoc ergo proctor hoc fallacy; no military threat against Libya was made, and Libya began moving closer to the West in the late 1990s, long before military action against Iraq was contemplated. Only an unapologetic partisan or a moron could believe that the invasion of Iraq has had the reputational effects that were imputed to it. One might even be inclined to think that a reputation for resolve is worthless in international relations...
In short, the Ledeen Doctrine is garbage. Destroying a small country every ten years or so will not, it appears, provide for our security. Iran has not been cowed by US military action; at best, the decision to invade Iraq can be held to have no important impact on Iranian nuclear ambitions. At worse (and I think that this is far more credible) the US invasion has provided the Iranian leadership with external impetus and domestic political capital for pursuing the nuclear option. Which of these is true isn't really very relevant; the fact that destroying a country in order to look tough doesn't work is a lesson that we should not soon forget.
http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2006/01/ledeen-doctrine.h...
remind me who we threw 10 years ago?
In reference to Russia dominating Georgia:
TheLastMohican (543 posts) Sat Aug-09-08 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #14
42. Years of domination? Hello?
Mister Stalin Dzugashvili was Georgian and he ruled USSR with an iron fist.
Georgian were the privileged ones among other serfs of the Soviet Union.
They really have no clue about history, do they?
ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-09-08 10:35 AM
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11. Still hoping for a US invasion of Iran ? Maybe Russia will shut off the EU's oil lines
and force them to look the other way and give the nod for Russia to absorb some old Soviet era territory back into the sphere.
After four years of predicting invasion,I still don't see the US invading Iran over something like this.
Maybe Turkey should get a little nervous? They do share a border .
The US invades Iran because Russia atacks Georgia? What is this, a game of Risk?
DogPoundPup (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-09-08 10:09 AM
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8. War between Russia and Georgia orchestrated from USA / Pravda News Agency
Russian officials believe that it was the USA that orchestrated the current conflict. The chairman of the State Duma Committee for Security, Vladimir Vasilyev, believes that the current conflict is South Ossetia is very reminiscent to the wars in Iraq and Kosovo.
“The things that were happening in Kosovo, the things that were happening in Iraq – we are now following the same path. The further the situation unfolds, the more the world will understand that Georgia would never be able to do all this without America. South Ossetian defense officials used to make statements about imminent aggression from Georgia, but the latter denied everything, whereas the US Department of State reloaded not comments on the matter. In essence, they have prepared the force, which destroys everything in South Ossetia, attacks civilians and hospitals. They are responsible for this. The world community will learn about it,†the official said.
http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/conflicts/09-08-2008/...
Of course the DUmmies will lap this up it is "The Truth".
