kentuck, other primitives, discuss stopping the filibuster

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028581276

Oh my.

kentuck's always got a new wonder bothering the inside of his skull.

kentuck (78,300 posts)     Wed Feb 1, 2017, 09:06 PM

What if 8 Democrats vote with 52 Republicans to stop the filibuster??
 
Of course, this is just a theoretical.

But, if enough Democrats joined the Republicans, they could get Gorsuch approved for the Supreme Court. And the embarrassment and humiliation of the Merrick Garland nomination could be forgotten?

What should happen if these 8 Democrats vote with the Republicans?

Is that a possibility? 

guillaumeb (10,117 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 09:08 PM

1. McCaskill and Manchin immediately come to mind.

PoliticAverse (16,048 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 09:09 PM

2. Sure it is possible. Even if that doesn't happen McConnell could just do what Harry Reid did....
 
when the Republicans were blocking Obama's appointments, and invoke the "nuclear rule" eliminating the filibuster. 

Sneederbunk (20 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 09:10 PM

3. With the likes of Manch and Heidtkamp in the party it will be no surprise.

Kilgore (989 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 09:24 PM

4. How many Democratic senators are from states that went for trump and are up for reelection?

yeoman6987 (13,878 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 09:42 PM

6. 10 are in States trump won
 
Some are doomed more then others. I worry about Indiana, North Dakota, West Virginia, Montana for sure. Wisconsin, Missouri, Ohio, Florida a bit. Pennsylvania, Michigan, should be safe.

whathehell (18,264 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 09:31 PM

5. I don't see what they would have to gain by that..

tritsofme (12,485 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 09:55 PM

7. I guess I'm surprised you find this so far fetched. I think Gorsuch clearing cloture
 
is the most likely outcome, by far.

Reportedly, there are seven Democrats who have already indicated they would support cloture.

We only get one opportunity to filibuster, and it looks like there is a consensus emerging that we would be better served to use it on a Kennedy/Ginsberg/Breyer vacancy.

Maybe I'm dense or something.  What's the primitive mean, by that the Democrats "get only one opportunity to filibuster"?

[Undies]

Dear lurking Dummies-

Let me help you out here, since you (collectively) have absolutely no ability to think rational things through and come to a rational reality:

It was your Obama and Merrick Garland himself who "embarrassed and humiliated" Merrick Garland.  Obama knew tradition was not going to allow for a confirmation hearing for Garland.  Or at least I hope he was that smart.  Garland knew it too.  Garland allowed himself to be used by Obama for the purpose of purposely becoming a talking point and a martyr in Obama's "organizing game". 

No one was injured and no one was harmed in the outcome.  It was a gamble that could have turned out differently, but those chances were small.

So you can all stop acting like Merrick Garland was  poised to become the next Thurgood Marshall, but was thwarted by the evil Republicans.  You can stop because, no rational thinking person is buying that drivel.  We know the score and we know the truth.

[98ZJUSMC]

Dear lurking Dummies-

Let me help you out here, since you (collectively) have absolutely no ability to think rational things through and come to a rational reality:

It was your Obama and Merrick Garland himself who "embarrassed and humiliated" Merrick Garland.  Obama knew tradition was not going to allow for a confirmation hearing for Garland.  Or at least I hope he was that smart.  Garland knew it too.  Garland allowed himself to be used by Obama for the purpose of purposely becoming a talking point and a martyr in Obama's "organizing game". 

No one was injured and no one was harmed in the outcome.  It was a gamble that could have turned out differently, but those chances were small.

So you can all stop acting like Merrick Garland was  poised to become the next Thurgood Marshall, but was thwarted by the evil Republicans.  You can stop because, no rational thinking person is buying that drivel.  We know the score and we know the truth.

[SVPete]

kentuck (78,300 posts)     Wed Feb 1, 2017, 09:06 PM

What if 8 Democrats vote with 52 Republicans to stop the filibuster??
 
Of course, this is just a theoretical.

Given the topic of this DU thread, that "theoretical" (hypothetical is a more accurate word for what you mean, kt) scenario is actually rather realistic. And I'm a bit surprised so many DU-folk pointed this out to him.

[J P Sousa]

Everybody, fake news outlets, democrats, DUmmies seems to forget;

Obama has appointed two Supreme Court justices, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, without so much as a whimper from republicans. 

[BadCat]

I whimpered.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Given the topic of this DU thread, that "theoretical" (hypothetical is a more accurate word for what you mean, kt) scenario is actually rather realistic. And I'm a bit surprised so many DU-folk pointed this out to him.

Kentuck just likes wearing out the "?" button on his keyboard.

[I_B_Perky]

yeoman6987 (13,878 posts)      Wed Feb 1, 2017, 09:42 PM

6. 10 are in States trump won
 
Some are doomed more then others. I worry about Indiana, North Dakota, West Virginia, Montana for sure. Wisconsin, Missouri, Ohio, Florida a bit. Pennsylvania, Michigan, should be safe.

IA, ND, WV, PA are all energy producing states... and obumbles war on energy killed a lot of people's jobs in those states. Especially coal producing states.  I'm betting those dem senators are shitting bricks right now.  You should be worried dummies. Really worried.  That is an 8 senator swing. 

[jukin]

Schmuck Choomer really squirted his pants yesterday when Trump told Mitch to go with the nuke option. Many of the smarter donks knew that was the end of the filibuster for SCOTUS and the Harry Reid Rule would apply to all. Also the republicans demonstrating something resembling a spine on the rules changes in committees for Trump's cabinet was another sign of changed times. DUmmys don't understand that. Obama could hardly play checkers. Trump really does play 3D chess, has been for 50 years.

What will Santa Trumpas bring our great nation tomorrow?

• Spanking of the fake news media.
• Making democrat leadership shart their panties.
• Spanking democrat/fascist cities shart their panties.

[Adam Wood]

Maybe I'm dense or something.  What's the primitive mean, by that the Democrats "get only one opportunity to filibuster"?

It likely means that the DUmmie secretly listens to Rush, as Rush was discussing this on Friday.

Short version is that Democrats will burn up a whole lot of political capital by filibustering, so they should keep their proverbial powder dry on this one since it doesn't change the "balance" of the court, but when Ginsburg either retires or kicks the bucket, which may well be quite soon, the Dems will want to prevent a conservative justice from taking her place.  Additionally, filibustering now almost certainly dooms those Dems who are up for election in '18 who are in states that Trump won, most of them won quite handily.  They're on thin ice as it stands, and if they're seen by people in those states as opposing an ever-more-popular Trump, they're dead meat come the mid-terms, and the Senate gets a 60-vote Republican majority.

[diesel driver]

It likely means that the DUmmie secretly listens to Rush, as Rush was discussing this on Friday.

Short version is that Democrats will burn up a whole lot of political capital by filibustering, so they should keep their proverbial powder dry on this one since it doesn't change the "balance" of the court, but when Ginsburg either retires or kicks the bucket, which may well be quite soon, the Dems will want to prevent a conservative justice from taking her place.  Additionally, filibustering now almost certainly dooms those Dems who are up for election in '18 who are in states that Trump won, most of them won quite handily.  They're on thin ice as it stands, and if they're seen by people in those states as opposing an ever-more-popular Trump, they're dead meat come the mid-terms, and the Senate gets a 60-vote Republican majority.

That was my take on it as well, DUmmies are hoping they only have to use the filibuster once during a Trump presidency, and this isn't the time to do it...

[SVPete]

It likely means that the DUmmie secretly listens to Rush, as Rush was discussing this on Friday.

Short version is that Democrats will burn up a whole lot of political capital by filibustering, so they should keep their proverbial powder dry on this one since it doesn't change the "balance" of the court, but when Ginsburg either retires or kicks the bucket, which may well be quite soon, the Dems will want to prevent a conservative justice from taking her place.  Additionally, filibustering now almost certainly dooms those Dems who are up for election in '18 who are in states that Trump won, most of them won quite handily.  They're on thin ice as it stands, and if they're seen by people in those states as opposing an ever-more-popular Trump, they're dead meat come the mid-terms, and the Senate gets a 60-vote Republican majority.

The more sober D minds who realize this are praying and hoping Ginsburg doesn't assume chambers temperature until after the 2018 election.

[jukin]

The more sober D minds who realize this are praying and hoping Ginsburg doesn't assume chambers temperature until after the 2018 election.

That is the play but I don't think there are any rational donks left.

[BlueStateSaint]

That is the play but I don't think there are any rational donks left.

The way things are going, there will be 60+ Republican Senators by then.

[I_B_Perky]

From what I have read about Gorsuch, this was a brilliant nomination by Trump.  I read somewhere he was confirmed unanimously when he was nominated for whatever position he now holds. Makes the dems look stupid and obstinate now. 

The best thing that could happen is if the GOP has 60 senators when Ginsburg finally either retires or dies.  Then Trump could nominate an even more conservative judge.  Boy would that would wire up the dump!

[SVPete]

From what I have read about Gorsuch, this was a brilliant nomination by Trump.  I read somewhere he was confirmed unanimously when he was nominated for whatever position he now holds. Makes the dems look stupid and obstinate now. 

The best thing that could happen is if the GOP has 60 senators when Ginsburg finally either retires or dies.  Then Trump could nominate an even more conservative judge.  Boy would that would wire up the dump!

Back during the campaign, Trump announced a list of possibilities from among whom he would choose, and did. That means Trump has a list of 20 possibilities already in hand. The Ds can be prepared too - assuming Trump doesn't find more possibilities - but their options for opposition without looking like petty lunatics are limited.

D, Libs, and Progs are such serial s that they'll probably hasten Ginsburg's death by incessantly telling her she has to stay on the USSC until at least January, 2121.