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I spent much of military career in Europe preparing to defend Germany

against a Soviet attack. Thankfully, that never happened.

Now the Russians won the war by installing a Quisling Putin Puppet in the White House.

I'm now returning to my regularly scheduled tequila station.

**** Comrade Trump and his band of traitors.

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1. I can't understand why so many veterans voted for Trump.

I am interested in your insights. Was it sexism against a female candidate? Reflexive Republican voting?

90% of the military is pro-Republican. Even after all the shit you've forced down it's throat in the last 8 years.

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2. Hope you tell all your family and friends that Trump is a traitor and a criminal. and keep telling them.

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Re: I spent much of military career in Europe preparing to defend Germany
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2017, 10:35:00 AM »
It all comes down to this statement:

The military flourishes under Republicans, and suffers under Democrat(ic)s.

Conversely . . .

Enemies of the USA flourish under Democrat(ic)s, and are confronted--sometimes to their extreme detriment--under Republicans.
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Re: I spent much of military career in Europe preparing to defend Germany
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2017, 10:46:21 AM »
90% of the military is pro-Republican. Even after all the shit you've forced down it's throat in the last 8 years.

Or at least anti-Clinton.  A lot of what strength the Libertarians have is in the military.
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Re: I spent much of military career in Europe preparing to defend Germany
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2017, 10:53:12 AM »
Speaking of quisling puppets, that commie POS soros wants the cash he invested in barry back.  :fuelfire:
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Re: I spent much of military career in Europe preparing to defend Germany
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2017, 02:03:15 PM »
Or at least anti-Clinton.  A lot of what strength the Libertarians have is in the military.

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Re: I spent much of military career in Europe preparing to defend Germany
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2017, 06:25:44 PM »
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I spent much of military career in Europe preparing to defend Germany

against a Soviet attack.

And now for the rest of the story. Dummie wants everyone to think he was a career military Billy Badass out training everyday with weapons. The more than likely truth is the dummie was an enlistee and spent 3 or so years as a supply clerk in Germany.  Nothing wrong with that... I applaud his service if he did indeed serve...but I doubt he prepared to defend Germany from much of anything.  More than likely sat there and shuffled paper all day and drank all nite. If a russian soldier actually showed up he would probably surrender without a fight.
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Re: I spent much of military career in Europe preparing to defend Germany
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2017, 06:23:39 AM »
I was stationed in Germany when the Berlin wall came down in October 1989; HHC 1/69 AR, 2 BDE, 3 ID, Harvey barracks, Kitzingen -- to be exact.

I remember, just before that, the Greens jumping Soldiers and give info on our battle positions to the SMLM (Soviet Military Liaison Mission, observers). It's one of the things that made me come to hate liberals after being raised by Carter democrats.
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Re: I spent much of military career in Europe preparing to defend Germany
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2017, 07:47:27 AM »
And now for the rest of the story. Dummie wants everyone to think he was a career military Billy Badass out training everyday with weapons. The more than likely truth is the dummie was an enlistee and spent 3 or so years as a supply clerk in Germany.  Nothing wrong with that... I applaud his service if he did indeed serve...but I doubt he prepared to defend Germany from much of anything.  More than likely sat there and shuffled paper all day and drank all nite. If a russian soldier actually showed up he would probably surrender without a fight.
A buddy of mine was arty in Germany in the early 80's...he said "we were a speedbump, till reforger kicked in"  in other words we weren't there to defend Germany...we were there to slow the Russian down.

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Re: I spent much of military career in Europe preparing to defend Germany
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2017, 09:55:33 AM »
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1. I can't understand why so many veterans voted for Trump.

I am interested in your insights. Was it sexism against a female candidate? Reflexive Republican voting?
Maybe, yardwork, they don't like people who have openly stated that they "loathe the military." 

Just a thought from this civvie who does his best to understand and appreciate every day how much the men and women who have signed on the dotted line to die in defense of me if needed have sacrificed for me, some stranger whom they have never met.

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Re: I spent much of military career in Europe preparing to defend Germany
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2017, 10:23:04 AM »
A buddy of mine was arty in Germany in the early 80's...he said "we were a speedbump, till reforger kicked in"  in other words we weren't there to defend Germany...we were there to slow the Russian down.

I was in a tank battalion there in the late 70s.  The entire US order of battle was 4 full strength divisions plus two ACRs and one or two 'visiting' brigades, the personnel quality of which was to put it as kindly as possible 'uneven.'  The British Army of the Rhine was basically a reinforced division.  The Bundeswehr had a relatively small permanent component, the vast bulk of their personnel were one-shot draftees doing their mandatory 18 months, a third of which was their equivalent of Basic and AIT.  Across the border, the Poles, Czechs, East Germans, and Hungarians all had large standing armies, and of course lots of Soviet 'Visitors,' which in Germany alone consisted of the GSFG (Group of Soviet Forces Germany) amounting as best I recall some sixteen tank and motorized rifle divisions, i.e. the GSFG alone was approximately the same size as the entire US Army worldwide.   That didn't count the Soviet's eight airborne divisions in their strategic reserve, retained under STAVKA control back in the Motherland.

The whole theory of REFORGER was that there would be deteriorating relations over a long period of time, affording us time to mobilize guard and reserve divisions and move more US forces into the country.  Gulf I demonstrated somewhat belatedly that RC readiness wasn't up to the timetable in 1990 (Let alone in the much more austere 70s military budgets), there wasn't really anywhere near the necessary the strategic lift to make the plan work in the first place, and shit could hit the fan a whole lot faster than we could really handle.

I always thought the whole Soviet master plan would have worked a lot better if they just one day issued a cold order to move west with the ammo on board.  They would have gotten to the Rhine and overrun almost all of USAREUR and two thirds of West Germany...and the GSFG had enough bridging equipment, as one MI briefer put it, 'To pave the Rhine.'

The big deterrent to them was the question of whether we'd go full strategic nuke if they did attack.  During Carter's Presidency, that was an open question.  The Reds were perfectly willing to go with tactical nukes and chemical warfare, though the first thing they were going to target was most likely well to the rear of the ground forces, that being the airbases at Hahn, Sembach, Ramstein, and such.

Those of us smart enough to visualize the entire thing, which didn't necessarily include Jimmy Carter, knew the US forces were just a trigger, not a force actually able to stop the Pact...too big a part of the small Army we had for us to afford to lose, not enough to actually stop them, and that we'd have to go full retard if we were about to lose them.  Once Reagan was elected, their window passed. 
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Re: I spent much of military career in Europe preparing to defend Germany
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2017, 05:17:24 PM »
I was in a tank battalion there in the late 70s.  The entire US order of battle was 4 full strength divisions plus two ACRs and one or two 'visiting' brigades, the personnel quality of which was to put it as kindly as possible 'uneven.'  The British Army of the Rhine was basically a reinforced division.  The Bundeswehr had a relatively small permanent component, the vast bulk of their personnel were one-shot draftees doing their mandatory 18 months, a third of which was their equivalent of Basic and AIT.  Across the border, the Poles, Czechs, East Germans, and Hungarians all had large standing armies, and of course lots of Soviet 'Visitors,' which in Germany alone consisted of the GSFG (Group of Soviet Forces Germany) amounting as best I recall some sixteen tank and motorized rifle divisions, i.e. the GSFG alone was approximately the same size as the entire US Army worldwide.   That didn't count the Soviet's eight airborne divisions in their strategic reserve, retained under STAVKA control back in the Motherland.

The whole theory of REFORGER was that there would be deteriorating relations over a long period of time, affording us time to mobilize guard and reserve divisions and move more US forces into the country.  Gulf I demonstrated somewhat belatedly that RC readiness wasn't up to the timetable in 1990 (Let alone in the much more austere 70s military budgets), there wasn't really anywhere near the necessary the strategic lift to make the plan work in the first place, and shit could hit the fan a whole lot faster than we could really handle.

I always thought the whole Soviet master plan would have worked a lot better if they just one day issued a cold order to move west with the ammo on board.  They would have gotten to the Rhine and overrun almost all of USAREUR and two thirds of West Germany...and the GSFG had enough bridging equipment, as one MI briefer put it, 'To pave the Rhine.'

The big deterrent to them was the question of whether we'd go full strategic nuke if they did attack.  During Carter's Presidency, that was an open question.  The Reds were perfectly willing to go with tactical nukes and chemical warfare, though the first thing they were going to target was most likely well to the rear of the ground forces, that being the airbases at Hahn, Sembach, Ramstein, and such.

Those of us smart enough to visualize the entire thing, which didn't necessarily include Jimmy Carter, knew the US forces were just a trigger, not a force actually able to stop the Pact...too big a part of the small Army we had for us to afford to lose, not enough to actually stop them, and that we'd have to go full retard if we were about to lose them.  Once Reagan was elected, their window passed.

I think the nuclear deterrent was well known by the rooskies and the only thing that really stopped them from invading. I seem to recall reading something a number of years ago that their nukes did not use solid fuel like we did and it would take them x number of hours to get their nukes ready when the American nuke triad could go at a moments notice.

Then after the wall fell I remember reading that the rooskies had been terrified of our nuke triad since we had better targeting systems and reliability.  They were especially scared of our subs.

At least the rooskies weren't insane like the muzzies are.
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