Fu[c]k the white working class

[dutch508]

Star Member sheshe2 (37,562 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512622831

**** the white working class

The Rude Pundit calls it like it is.

Look. We liberals gave them health care and addiction treatment and retraining help and an auto industry bailout that saved millions of their jobs. We created the programs that brought electricity and indoor plumbing and phone service to them. We gave them tons of shit that the Republicans fought tooth and nail to prevent or take away. We kept them ****ing alive, goddammmit. And in the end, none of that made a damn bit of difference because it’s not about how bad their life is with them. It’s all about identity politics. It’s all about sticking it to The Man, about being upset that n***ers and f****ts no longer know their place, about a fear their children might get edumacated and move the **** away from the hellhole they’ve made of the place they live.

And since I’m sure some sanctimonious Republican dickwad is gonna flounce in here at any moment and decry El Rudo and me as some New Yawk Elite and other bullshit like that, El Rudo is from Louisiana, like me. We went to the same high school, actually, and I remember him well though he was two years behind me (folks, he was loud, profane, and funny as hell even as a young El Rudo). When he says that Democrats chasing white working class voters is a lost cause, he’s not doing it from some elite coast viewpoint, he’s doing it as someone who grew up there and knows how people think there (for some definition of the word “think”). Identity politics trumps economics, in the end.

We liberals should feel their pain if we want their votes? **** that shit. We should do what’s right by them because unlike them, we embody the Christian virtues of caring for the least amongst us, but that ain’t gonna make a bit of difference in terms of votes because when you see people who repeatedly time and time again spew racist blather like it’s God’s own truth, who continually over and over vote against the people who created the government programs that keep their butts alive and give them a chance for the future (programs like Medicaid and food stamps and retraining programs and so forth), when you see people who time and again vote for politicians making shallow promises about things that even a moment’s worth of thought can never happen because reality just don’t work that way (those coal jobs are *gone*, people, and they aren’t coming back, because even the Chinese are retiring coal-fired power plants and replacing them with solar and wind), when you continually see people who vote against their own self-interests because they care more about sticking it to “The Man”, some caricature in some far-off state that they don’t really comprehend but they know has to exist, than they care about their own self-interests… screw’em. Yeah, call me smug if you want. Won’t be the first time. Won’t be the last time. But I’ll just point out that Trump won with fewer votes than McCain lost by. Trump didn’t win because white working class voters deserted to him. Trump won because the Democrats forgot their own coalition and didn’t turn out their own voters. A coalition that today trends urban, more educated, more minority, and younger than Republican, and which was broken up this year by a number of things, but none of which had a damn thing to do with white working class people.

As for white working class people? Yeah, their plight sucks. 99% of it is their own fault for hanging on to their own petty bigotries and hanging on to their own ignorance and refusing education when it was offered to them, but yeah, their plight sucks. And we liberals ought to do something about that. But because it’s the right thing to do, not because they’re going to be grateful and vote for us. This election wasn’t about economics. Trump’s voters actually trended *wealthier* than in the last election. Claiming the election was about economics is nonsense. This election was about identity politics, pure and simple. It was about a whole class of people saying, “Stop the world, we want off, we want to go back to when you could graduate high school dumber than a rock and still make a good living at the coal mine, and black people knew their place, and gay people were somewhere else, not in our face in our towns, and we didn’t have all these strange ideas coming into our towns via satellite TV and the Internet.” Well that ain’t happenin’. That train done rolled. The left-behind are pissed about that. Well, there’s not a bloody thing we can do to make them un-pissed about it. You know what the take-up rates are on re-training programs in Kentucky coal towns? You know how many of those who *did* take the re-training courses were willing to move in order to get a job in their new field? 0.5%. Zero. Point. Five. Percent. You got people who aren’t willing to help themselves, and then they’re blaming Democrats for that fact. Boo ****ing hoo.

So **** the white working class. We liberals have no outreach to do there that has any political import. What we need to do is get the liberal coalition back together again, and kick their politicians out of office and help these stupid mother****ers despite their unwillingness to show a dime’s worth of gratitude for that help, not because we’re going to get their votes — the dumb ass mother****ers ain’t gonna vote for a liberal, nosirree — but because it’s the right thing to do. And then we need to dump all the bullshit that the KGB spread to divide Democrats against themselves, and get our people pumped up and ready to vote these mother****ers out of office and get in there and fix this shit, already. Wasting time on the white working class trying to win their votes, in the end, as about as useful as outreach to Amazon jungle tribesmen. They’re both a bunch of primitive dipshits who aren’t gonna vote for us regardless, so. Offer them help because it’s the right thing to do, but obsessing about getting the votes of these primitive inbreds is about as useful as a bicycle for fish. We need to get our own shit together and get our own people out to vote. That’s the solution, in the end.

– Badtux the Rude Penguin

Ouch. Fact.

yeah- that'll work.

Star Member Grey Lemercier (1,234 posts)
2. plus a billion and this anti identity politics posturing on here and in the

real world is some mutha****ing racist dog whistle shit.

I am about ******* sick of this "chase-a-cracker, maybe if we beg hard enough and toss us PoC, queers and uppity women under the bus their white power ass will vote for us" SHIT

[ only 13% of the US is POC... remember that when you are saying **** YOU ]

Star Member guillaumeb (8,824 posts)
3. Rude pundit really needs to discover the difference between fact and opinion.

Rude pundit is funny, but funny does not equate to correct.

And if 90% of white American are working class, does that mean that one automatically assumes that they cannot be reached?

And I am not a sanctimonious GOP voter, I am a member of the working class who knows many other members of the white working class. True, I am a unionized white working class voter, which does make some difference. Union workers and black voters were the backbone of the Democratic Party for many years. And yes, racism is a huge problem in the US, but it does not explain everything. Economic insecurity is a big problem also, and when people are insecure they become less tolerant.

Recommended anyway because Rude Pundit is funny.
Thanks sheshe for your excellent choice of material.

Star Member duffyduff (3,251 posts)
9. The white dudes cannot be reached. Period. Forget it.
 
We haven't had them in the Dem Party to any great extent since Nixon, when he used racist code to get their support.

The vast majority of these dudes vote GOP. They keep voting against their self-interest time after time after time. The time to have protested against the economic ruination of this country was during Ronald Reagan's administration. That is when neolib economics really started snowballing. Jobs were being sent overseas by the millions, pensions were gutted, unions were undermined, ruinous trade agreements began to be implemented. And where the hell were these white dudes? Voting for Reagan, bitching about how many "advantages" women and minorities were getting because of affirmative action, these guys thinking they deserved and still deserve the best jobs because they have white skin and dicks.

I refuse to feel one bit sorry for these assholes. With the women, it is almost entirely the bogus "social issues" which the right politicians always use as a con in order to get these women's votes in order to pick their pockets.

Years ago I used to feel sorry for these guys losing their way of life, but there comes a time when to cut them loose. You couldn't knock sense into these idiots with a two-by-four. I am not sure another Great Depression would change them. They are hopeless.

I am sick of this "working class" phrase. That is Berniespeak, and he is nothing but a moth-eaten Marxist.

I am not a fan of the "Rude Pundit," since his foulmouthed writing grates on the nerves, but he is right in this case.

dude.

 

Star Member KingCharlemagne (6,607 posts)
49. Im a Marxist, Karl Marx was my friend and, DuffyDuff, Bernie Sanders is no Marxist!

FFS, enough with the moth-eaten red-baiting.

Jesus H. Christ.

 

Star Member mia (4,320 posts)
5. So tired of all the hate.

I'm a liberal, white, working class, "dumbass, muther****ing, primitive, dipshit" teacher.

 

Star Member radical noodle (2,085 posts)
6. They all need to wake up and realize we freaking won, if not for the weird electoral college. We have the majority. She has over 2 million more votes than Trump now. And still we have this same maddening story about how we must blow up the Party.

I just saw a post related to that where the person admitted that they didn't vote for our candidate. Why in hell should that person have a voice now? I don't see it. Those are the people who gave away everything for their own personal gotcha moment. This country will go back in time because of them. Maybe I'm just old, contrary and angry... but I am what I am, and I'm mad as hell.

Yeah... except that the rules state that you didn't win,... so there's that...

Amishman (589 posts)
58. They hold the house, Senate, whitehouse, and most state govs... And you say we won?

We are losing ground all across America. We need to change our tone and message. The attitude of the article posted in the OP is a big symptom of our problem.

 

Raine (21,364 posts)
25. Yup with that attitude we better get used to being out of power for a very long time.

Star Member sheshe2 (37,562 posts)
34. First of all, I am white.

Second, I assume you did not vote for tRump, or third party or left your ballot blank. So this is not about you.

This is about tRump supporters that vote against their best interests every dayum election.

Look. We liberals gave them health care and addiction treatment and retraining help and an auto industry bailout that saved millions of their jobs. We created the programs that brought electricity and indoor plumbing and phone service to them. We gave them tons of shit that the Republicans fought tooth and nail to prevent or take away. We kept them ****ing alive, goddammmit. And in the end, none of that made a damn bit of difference because it’s not about how bad their life is with them. It’s all about identity politics. It’s all about sticking it to The Man, about being upset that n***ers and f****ts no longer know their place, about a fear their children might get edumacated and move the **** away from the hellhole they’ve made of the place they live.



Please don't make this about you when it is not. They need to wake up 'cause they just voted in a racist sexual predator. He is a white supremacist and a Nazi to boot. He is coming for all of us. Be afraid, be very afraid. He is coming for their dreaded Obamacare and stupid them they never looked beyond their hate he is coming for their SS and Medicare as well.

They hated that uppity black man that gave them so much and abhorred that uppity woman that would given them more. Why? They are sexist racist sniveling white men that hold their guns and privilege more tightly than their own needs.

 

C

oventina (14,811 posts)
62. Oh please spare me. The white, straight, Christian man's struggles.

Oh yes, they are such an oppressed group, now and for generations past.

Instead of being born on third, they have to take their chances with the pitcher now, like the rest of us....

Star Member uponit7771 (37,784 posts)
41. She lost the EC by 100,000 votes... that's not losing the presidency that's a margin

... error in flip counties.

**** those counties if their doing better now than when Obama got into office...

There's no help for people like that

frankieallen (304 posts)
89. correct, so I would like someone to explain how all these millions of enlighten obama supporters

in 08 and 2012, are now ignorant, stupid, racist, homophobic, uneducated assholes in 2016?
anyone?.......

 

[98ZJUSMC]

who continually over and over vote against the people who created the government programs that keep their butts alive and give them a chance for the future (programs like Medicaid and food stamps and retraining programs and so forth),

How could we be so foolish!   You have given us everything!      You even invented electricity for us.  Woe is us ......  We have failed you. 

when you see people who time and again vote for politicians making shallow promises about things that even a moment’s worth of thought can never happen because reality just don’t work that way (those coal jobs are *gone*, people, and they aren’t coming back, because even the Chinese are retiring coal-fired power plants and replacing them with solar and wind),        You're so full of shit you spit feces.  when you continually see people who vote against their own self-interests because they care more about sticking it to “The Man”, some caricature in some far-off state that they don’t really comprehend but they know has to exist, than they care about their own self-interests…

Again?!?  Find something new, huh?    

We haven't had them in the Dem Party to any great extent since Nixon, when he used racist code to get their support.

Oh, what infantile thread would be complete without the vaunted, super secret, massive conspiracy of the sOuThErNsTraTageY!111!!eleBiNty!!

Star Member KingCharlemagne (6,607 posts)
49. Im a Marxist, Karl Marx was my friend and, DuffyDuff, Bernie Sanders is no Marxist!

FFS, enough with the moth-eaten red-baiting.

Jesus H. Christ.

That, third house-on-the-lake tip you off, did it?

And I am not a sanctimonious GOP voter, I am a member of the working class who knows many other members of the white working class. True, I am a unionized white working class voter, which does make some difference.

Surprise, surprise ......

Star Member radical noodle (2,085 posts)
6. They all need to wake up and realize we freaking won, if not for the weird electoral college. We have the majority. Wrong  She has over 2 million more votes than Trump now. Thank an Illegal And still we have this same maddening story about how we must blow up the Party.

You're wrong.

The vast majority of these dudes vote GOP. They keep voting against their self-interest   YES!  time after time after time.

after time, after time, after time...........   

Star Member mia (4,320 posts)
5. So tired of all the hate.

I'm a liberal, white, working class, "dumbass, muther****ing, primitive, dipshit" teacher.

Yes.

Raine (21,364 posts)
25. Yup with that attitude we better get used to being out of power for a very long time.

Yes.

 
Cuz I'm As Hard As Diamond In An Ice Storm Right Now.

frankieallen (304 posts)
89. correct, so I would like someone to explain how all these millions of enlighten obama supporters

in 08 and 2012, are now ignorant, stupid, racist, homophobic, uneducated assholes in 2016?
anyone?.......

Don't mellow my schadenboner, man.....

Look , i(d)iots .... there's a reason we now hold historic, by a large margin, national majorities almost nationwide.  Now, get your crayons and figure it out.

But, it still won't matter.

[tanstaafl]

deserve the best jobs because they have white skin and dicks.

Typical DU primitive. Gotta get his licks in on the dicks.

[Carl]

The bitter rage of those that are not allowed their destiny to rule.

[franksolich]

The bitter rage of those that are not allowed their destiny to rule.

Well now, the sheshe monstrosity needs to be careful what she wishes for.

If the "white working class" gets screwed, who's expected to pay all of those anticipated slavery reparations?

[FunkyZero]

The Rude Pundit calls it like it is.

Look. We liberals gave them health care and addiction treatment and retraining help and an auto industry bailout that saved millions of their jobs. We created the programs that brought electricity and indoor plumbing and phone service to them. We gave them tons of shit that the Republicans fought tooth and nail to prevent or take away. We kept them ****ing alive, goddammmit. And in the end, none of that made a damn bit of difference because it’s not about how bad their life is with them. It’s all about identity politics. It’s all about sticking it to The Man, about being upset that n***ers and f****ts no longer know their place, about a fear their children might get edumacated and move the **** away from the hellhole they’ve made of the place they live.

All that work and he forgot to mention THEY INVENTED THE INTERNET TOO!!!!!!
I mean, algore was so nice as to give is the internet, and the dirty GOP hired out the russians to haX0r3D the election with it!
Ungrateful bastards, we are.

[Mr Mannn]

Impotent rage is a great pick-me-up in the morning. 

DUmmies, for all your anger, it will still be PRESIDENT TRUMP come January 20th. 

[Karin]

The author of the original article likes to tout "retraining help" from the government.  Rush and others have asked the question, "do you know anyone who ever got a job after a government retraining program?"  No.

I looked at the Dept of Labor's site, and tried to research government retraining programs to see what this guy was crowing about.  It's very, very thin sauce.  It mainly involves far flung "jobs centers" where they let you use the computer to look for a job.  I've been in one.  The indifferent little bureaucrats couldn't be bothered to show some older guys some internet basics.  Not their job. 

Then there are the displaced workers:

With many American jobs being lost due to foreign trade and the phenomenon commonly known as "offshoring," the federal government provides additional services to workers whose jobs are lost due to foreign trade or shifts in production out of the United States. While not all job loss due to foreign competition meets the requirements of the Trade Act, the Rapid Response team will work with your company to provide information on Trade Adjustment Assistance (TAA) and the benefits you can receive if your company is certified as trade-affected

Around here, we had a business just shut its doors overnite, firing all 150 people immediately.  The employees filed for this particular program, and it came back stamped "denied."   Thanks for all the help, Rude Penguin. 

[VelvetElvis]

I am truly worried now.

If the Dems pick up on SS2's brilliant "F*ck the white working class" strategy,and shout it to the rooftops, we're DOOOOMED!!!!

[SVPete]

Hasn't this article made the rounds at DU a couple of times already? Or are there bunches of nearly identical puke-rants "out there" (or both).

The more Libs & Progs revile large segments of the voting populace, the greater my hopes for 2018 and 2020.

[SVPete]

The author of the original article likes to tout "retraining help" from the government.  Rush and others have asked the question, "do you know anyone who ever got a job after a government retraining program?"  No.

I looked at the Dept of Labor's site, and tried to research government retraining programs to see what this guy was crowing about.  It's very, very thin sauce.  It mainly involves far flung "jobs centers" where they let you use the computer to look for a job.  I've been in one.  The indifferent little bureaucrats couldn't be bothered to show some older guys some internet basics.  Not their job...

My "job retraining program" has always been getting new jobs - sometimes voluntarily, sometimes after being laid off. IOW, pretty much what many/most Americans do as a matter of course in their career lives.

[DUmpstruck]

As a proud member of the white working class, I have only a few words of advice for sheshesheshe.

I'm hungry. 
Ham, Swiss and Salami on caraway rye sammich.
Dijon mustard, hold the mayo.

Make yourself useful for a change.

[lars1701c]

I wish they'd make up their mind, is Trump a Nazi or a Commie?