Michigan to audit 'significant mismatches' in Detroit vote

[sharkhawk]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141638454The Stupid it burns. 

inanna (2,390 posts)

Michigan to audit 'significant mismatches' in Detroit vote

Source: Associated Press

December 12, 2016

LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Michigan's elections bureau will investigate "significant" ballot discrepancies in a small portion of Detroit's voting precincts.

The audit ordered Monday stems from a precinct in which 300 people were recorded as voting but only 50 ballots were in a sealed container. State spokesman Fred Woodhams says there's no reason to suspect people's votes weren't counted, but Michigan is aware of "significant mismatches" at roughly 20 of Detroit's 490 precincts.

He says the problems wouldn't have changed the outcome of Republican Donald Trump's victory in Michigan. Democrat Hillary Clinton won 95 percent of Detroit's vote.

The ballots will go to Lansing for inspection.

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/michigan-audit-significant-mismatches-detroit-vote-220357371--election.html

Ok, dummies let's see if we can do simple math.  306 votes, 50 ballots =256 extra votes in Detroit that should not have counted.

Angry Dragon (27,423 posts)
1. the new republican math

Detroit the New Republican stronghold.

RoccoR2 (73 posts)
2. What % of those 300 votes were for Hillary?

anyone know

Hmmm,

Star Member jimlup (5,320 posts)
5. In Detroit it would be around 95%

Solid blue region. I live in a "neighboring" blue but (different demographic) suburb.

Lightbulbs starting to go off.

RoccoR2 (73 posts)
6. If the % (95% +/-) does not change in these Detroit mismatched ballot boxes

then I wouldn't suspect fraud

however... if these mismatched ballot boxes were something like 50/50 then I would suspect fraud

Star Member LovingA2andMI (2,794 posts)
3. It is so NOT surprising...

This has occurred. The problems with the Detroit vote were huge. Huge enough that it will be impossible to ever determine if ALL Detroiters votes were initially counted. The difference in Michigan was 10,704 votes or about 30 or so Precincts in Detroit, alone.

With mismatched ballots to poll book data, ballots not matching seals on top and/or bottom of bags, misreads on optical scanners and much more -- to be frank -- the Detroit Election results in 2016 must be questioned until the next Presidential Election.

The audit is necessary and all in-charge of this grave miscarriage of ensuring voters, votes are property counted -- should be fired or voted out of office in 2017.

"Thousands of Detroit's Ballots Might Remain Uncounted In Stein's Recount" - Our original story at IU News & Talk

Podcast: Do Recounts Protect The Integrity of The Vote? -12/7 - w/ Guest Tom Barrow - Our Podcast IU Radio LIVE - Must Listen Into Interview To Learn HOW LONG Elections Have Had Problems in Detroit.

Dummies, The Dems are going to fight any audit of Detroit, this shows one precinct where 256 votes were manufactured for Hillary.  This is why Hillary did not want a recount.

[I_B_Perky]

We told you not to pursue this dummies.  It was not going to end up well for your side.

[DUmpstruck]

When Mrs. Corpio is done looking for the author of the infamous bravenak letter, maybe he can turn his sooperdooper sleuthing skills on this.

[Karin]

Detroit voting under audit....DUmmies, you think this is a good thing? I think it's a whole can of worms.  The whole thing's going to Lansing, as in OUT of Detroit's control.  This is what you wanted.  They really don't see it, do they?

[Carl]

Star Member LovingA2andMI (2,794 posts)
3. It is so NOT surprising...

This has occurred. The problems with the Detroit vote were huge. Huge enough that it will be impossible to ever determine if ALL Detroiters votes were initially counted. The difference in Michigan was 10,704 votes or about 30 or so Precincts in Detroit, alone.

With mismatched ballots to poll book data, ballots not matching seals on top and/or bottom of bags, misreads on optical scanners and much more -- to be frank -- the Detroit Election results in 2016 must be questioned until the next Presidential Election.

The audit is necessary and all in-charge of this grave miscarriage of ensuring voters, votes are property counted -- should be fired or voted out of office in 2017.

"Thousands of Detroit's Ballots Might Remain Uncounted In Stein's Recount" - Our original story at IU News & Talk

Podcast: Do Recounts Protect The Integrity of The Vote? -12/7 - w/ Guest Tom Barrow - Our Podcast IU Radio LIVE - Must Listen Into Interview To Learn HOW LONG Elections Have Had Problems in Detroit.

That is some special kind of stupid.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

Ummm. They do know that Detroit went 95% for Her Thighness. Any "significant mismatches" are going to go against her, INCREASING Trumps lead, right? They know that, right?

[I_B_Perky]

Detroit voting under audit....DUmmies, you think this is a good thing? I think it's a whole can of worms.  The whole thing's going to Lansing, as in OUT of Detroit's control.  This is what you wanted.  They really don't see it, do they?

No, they do not.  Once the truth finally comes out, voter ID will become the norm and questions will be raised in other state's inner city votes.  Dummies, in the hatred, cannot see that they are screwing their side in a big league way.   

I don't think I have had this much fun with the dummies since Bush beat Kerry.   

[sharkhawk]

Another thing to remember.  The Republican party, by court order, is not allowed to even have observers in these minority districts.  So what they're claiming is somehow, the Republicans  snuck into these precincts after the polls were closed and switched the votes.

[BattleHymn]

I don't think I have had this much fun with the dummies since Bush beat Kerry.   

I'm starting to think I made the wrong choice in "best election ever" thread a few weeks back.

I'd like to formally retract my selection, and say here and now that THIS is the best election ever.   

[FlaGator]

I don't think they see what happened. 50 Hillary voters cast ballets and those 50 were run the the machine 6 times each. Thus the machine reporting 300 votes but the box contains only 50 ballots.

[FunkyZero]

I don't think they see what happened. 50 Hillary voters cast ballets and those 50 were run the the machine 6 times each. Thus the machine reporting 300 votes but the box contains only 50 ballots.

Oh, they see it alright.
This is the "ignore it and it'll go away" technique

[Carl]

Response to inanna (Original post)

Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:50 PM

MichMan (471 posts)
13. Local elected Detroit officials need to be held accountable for this

I lived in the metro Detroit area for much of my life. This recount has been covered extensively in our local press all week, so the following is my understanding of what happened. I am happy to see the state investigating this situation

First off, for those not familiar, elections are run and managed by local election boards run by elected officials. In my adult lifetime, every elected office in Detroit has been held by Democrats; generally there are no Republicans even running in the primaries. While blaming Snyder and Schuette may be popular, that is not who caused this to happen.

While mistakes due to human error can and did happen in isolated areas across the state, it was discerning to note that 60% of the Detroit precincts were disqualified from the recount due to election day irregularities. There is a somewhat archaic Michigan law from 1954 that disqualifies a ballot box from being recounted if the totals of recorded votes doesn't match the poll book. Apparently there were a couple of close elections in the early 50's and this law was intended to avoid the potential for ballot box stuffing by corrupt election workers. Unfortunately, that means that simple human error could also disqualify a precinct from being recounted as well. NOTE: this doesn't mean the votes were not counted, it just means that the totals from election night were used in those instances

Why were there specifically so many in a couple areas like Detroit and Flint? While I don't have inside knowledge, from what I have read in the local press, this situation clearly was the result of poorly trained and supervised local election workers.


If the election workers uncover these type of issues, they can be corrected at the end of the night before the boxes are sealed and the numbers reported. In multiple instances, if a machine appears to not accept a ballot, it is re fed into the optical scanning machine. When that happens, the election workers are required to reset the counter, so a vote isn't recorded more than once. In Detroit, that apparently wasn't done, so it appears that some votes were entered multiple times. At the end of the night, these types of issues were known by the election staff, but apparently they either didn't know what to do or just decided it was a long night and they were going home anyway. (If explanations are made at the time, the votes would have been eligible for recount, but none were made and noted) The county Board of Canvassers still certified those same results also knowing that there were these discrepancies before reporting the totals to the state. With Hillary having a lead in pre election polling, and Detroit voting 90% for Democrats, it may have been that a few votes off didn't really matter and it was "close enough" No one anticipated that there would be a recount initiated by Stein. (If anything, Hillary may have received extra votes in the process)

(I worked as a bank teller for a few years. When the numbers didn't balance at the end of the day, no one went home until it was reconciled)

This falls entirely on the backs of the local elected officials in those cities/counties that recruited and trained the election staff in their areas. While most voters pay attention to the candidates running for president, senators & governors, it is all the other down ticket local offices that often get ignored as people often vote of things like name recognition, yard sign proliferation etc. Hopefully this created enough local embarrassment, that the people in charge in Detroit and Flint will address and correct these problems.

MichMan (471 posts)
18. Records: Too many votes in 37% of Detroits precincts


http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/

Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.

Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.

The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.

Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.

Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn’t be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.

The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.

[BadCat]

tar Member jimlup (5,320 posts)
5. In Detroit it would be around 95%

Solid blue region. I live in a "neighboring" blue but (different demographic) suburb.

Translation:
I live with a bunch of WHITE moonbats.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Detroit voting under audit....DUmmies, you think this is a good thing? I think it's a whole can of worms.  The whole thing's going to Lansing, as in OUT of Detroit's control.  This is what you wanted.  They really don't see it, do they?

No, they don't.  Their already-compromised ability to think things through has been completely sidelined by their ideological hatred.

[SVPete]

We told you not to pursue this dummies.  It was not going to end up well for your side.

Exactly. This will go one or both of two ways: massive attempted fraud by precinct workers who happen to be Ds; massive failure to maintain equipment by election officials who happen to be Ds.