http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512625486Whoever nominated the buggy primitive, excellent pick. If this continues we might have a dark horse in the top 5, come December:
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 11:49 AM
Star Member LaydeeBug (7,229 posts)
Stop. Letting. Them. Frame. The. ****ing. Narrative.
We did not lose.
We were gerry mandered.
We did not lose.
We were suppressed.
We did not lose.
And you ****ing know it. Deep down, you do.
Did anyone say, "Hey Bernie Sanders, you need to regroup and rebuild" when he lost the Democratic primary? No.
The FBI became a de facto wing of the KGB and there are mother****ers on here who want to say "WE" need to work on our message? That we need to *abandon* something?
WAKE THE **** UP.
They are helping the Russian ilk with this bullshit. The last time I checked 2.5 million more people want it our way than theirs. The question should be, when so many more Americans favor our left wing cause, how is the right going to win our hearts and minds?
What are they going to do to prove that they are not in bed with Russia?
One thing's for sure, if the media were ****ing liberal, that's what you'd be hearing.
Stop. letting. them. frame. the. ****ing. narrative.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 11:54 AM
TCJ70 (2,847 posts)
2. No...we lost.
The rules are the rules. Yes 2.5 million more people (and counting) voted for Clinton, but they didn't vote in the right places. That's a messaging and strategy problem.
All it means is that at this point we have a president elect that represents the will of the system, rather than the will of the people. That is a problem, but it doesn't mean we didn't lose.
The EC needs an update to be in line with current populations and not work off numbers over 100 years old. That's a conversation worth having. But we did lose.
What? I'm not even going to pretend I understand what you're bibble-babbling about. I'm not alone in that, as you've got several other primitives on the Island scratching their head over this one, too.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 12:42 PM
Star Member lostnfound (10,447 posts)
18. Yeah, and some of our votes only count three-fifths as much..ho hum
The rules is the rules I guess.
You miss the point. If the roles were reversed, FOX would be blaring 24-7 how the nation must stop the menace, the outrage, perpetrated by the democrats to LOSE the vote total by over two million votes yet still take office. They'd point to it as an unamerican OUTRAGE, and they'd point to the Washington elites as having arranged it all.
Meanwhile MSNBC AND CNN are holding kumbaya sessions on how to find inner peace and reflect on the meaning of peace at family reunions.
You wouldn't be okay with three fifths votes would you? Even if it was in the constitution?
Yes the EC appears to have been won by President Putin. Fine. We still should be talking about it. And this was not the only problem with this election.
Consider yourselves voter reparations. The party that fought to cling to slavery now suffers by having their votes counted for only "three-fifths".
Actually, it just sounds like you've downed three fifths. Go home primitive, you're drunk.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 01:02 PM
liberalmike27 (2,417 posts)
30. Yea, I Agree
Al Gore didn't lose either, but he did lose, as he never was president.
Stages of grief, folks--get through them to acceptance. All of this stuff is a feel-good exercise, though clearly all that stuff happened. We heard about all the ways Republicans have regularly shaved votes off, caged and purged voters due to fake felony lists, purging same name minority groups, cut registration offices, gerrymandered, yea, they did all of that.
But we lost, and we knew the rules before we entered the contest. The EC was what determines the winner. It sucks, but it's true. Just like Sanders folks knew the Super Delegates were part of the race, before he entered.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 01:19 PM
thucythucy (3,127 posts)
32. Whether the EC is updated or not
it still favors rural (and conservative) areas, so that voters in Wyoming, say, with a population less than that of the District of Columbia, have several times the voting clout in the EC as voters in California, with a population larger than many European nations. That's because every state is guaranteed at least three votes in the EC (2 senators plus one rep.) no matter how small their population is.
That's how it's possible for us to win the popular vote by millions (and Hillary has now won more votes than any other presidential candidate other than President Obama in 2008) and still lose the f-kin' election.
Life sure sucks when you can't run up the vote totals in highly concentrated urban areas and then make a claim that you won a game that nobody else was playing, doesn't it?
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 11:54 AM
AtheistCrusader (29,970 posts)
3. You cannot gerrymander the federal election for president because no party can alter state lines.
Gerrymandering is a real problem for the House, lets not dilute it by mis-using it. it does not apply to the presidency.
Out, damn truth!!
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 12:03 PM
Moostache (3,053 posts)
4. You really believe that?
Gerrymandering is a vicious form of voter suppression in congressional districts. That allows the people of those districts, who see their votes make literally ZERO difference in their representation, EVER, see a truly rigged system. That in turn drives down the opposing vote totals in a completely "legal" way.
It is true that the EC cannot be "gerrymandered", but the Congress absolutely is, and by extension the vote totals in some areas is artificially managed as well.
You mean like the 1/3 of California that didn't vote for Cankles McFallonmyface?
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 12:21 PM
Star Member LaydeeBug (7,229 posts)
7. Ummm...yes it does because all politics is local.
Every one of my local officials is now a GOPer. This was the first time voting where that was the case. It took me an hour and a half to vote.
That has never happened before.
There were armed police officers inside my polling station.
Stop pretending.
Same here. And I felt not a tinge of worry. What are you worried about, primitive?
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 12:08 PM
earthside (6,653 posts)
5. Sorry, Democrats lost and have been losing.
Twenty-five states now controlled by a Republican governor and both houses of the state legislature.
I believe just six states out of the fifty where Democrats have the governorship and state legislature.
That is pathetic.
The decline in the fortunes of the Democrats has been going on at a quickening pace since 2010.
You can track the losses for Democrats with the distance they put themselves from the basic New Deal economic message and the closer they cozy up to Identity Politics.
You cannot frame a proper narrative if you won't even look in a mirror and recognize the plain, cold unvarnished truth.
This primitive has been following Mr Mannn's posts here at the cave. It's worth a row over, as this thread is chocked full of the buggy primitive flipping out.
