« previous next »
Pages: [1]   Go Down

Author Topic: Amazingly bad employment experience. A Bouncy  (Read 2207 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline CC27

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6158
  • Reputation: +1753/-29
Amazingly bad employment experience. A Bouncy
« on: August 02, 2016, 01:36:54 PM »
Quote
milestogo (531 posts)

Amazingly bad employment experience


I've been out of work for a couple of months and last week I accepted a position which started today.

My first appointment was with the HR person. She brought in a lot of paperwork for me to sign, most of which was really irrelevant to my position. Then came the employment contract. This was supposed to be a regular W-2 employee job.

I started reading it and the 4th paragraph stated that if an employee left the job for any reason in less than 2 years they would owe the company money. There was a specific formula that had to do with minimum wage and the length of time before 2 years - I don't remember the details. I was appalled.

I told the HR person that this was ridiculous and probably wouldn't hold up in court and that I would not sign the contract because of this clause. I didn't read any further than the 4th paragraph. She said OK, don't worry about it.

Then I was supposed to be trained by the operations manager. He told me that the job involves supporting 5 other businesses owned by the company president. There was no mention of this at the interview. He said that the company president has lots of unethical business practices and that he will ask me to do things that are unethical.

Then the VP came in and said I had to sign the contract or leave. I left.

I am still feeling kind of stunned. Has anyone ever heard of something like this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028069114

I bet you got a job at mcdonalds and refused to wear the hat.
Logged

Offline Maverick1987

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1670
  • Reputation: +256/-2
  • M o l o n L a b e
Re: Amazingly bad employment experience. A Bouncy
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2016, 01:45:09 PM »
Smart employers have many tricks to rid themselves of bad hires. 
Logged
Deplorable since 2016

Offline fatboy

  • Does this gun make me look fat?
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2438
  • Reputation: +625/-54
  • skinnier than the average primitive
Re: Amazingly bad employment experience. A Bouncy
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2016, 01:52:41 PM »
Employment is so overrated.
Logged
"We will bring back our jobs. We will bring back our borders. We will bring back our wealth - and we will bring back our dreams!" -President Donald J. Trump 1/20/17

Offline dixierose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1355
  • Reputation: +119/-17
Re: Amazingly bad employment experience. A Bouncy
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2016, 01:59:18 PM »
Wow...it looks like that may actually be a thing. Someone in that DU thread posted a link to an article about a woman being sued for "retention pay". Here's the link.

http://www.houstonpress.com/news/buc-ees-demands-67k-back-from-ex-employee-because-she-left-8540676

Wow, and this is in an at-will state where the employer can fire you without cause. I don't understand how that can be legal. Then again, I am far from a lawyer...
Logged
When Harry Truman was President of the United States, he had a sign on his desk in the White House that said: "The buck stops here." If Barack Obama had a sign on his desk, it would say: "The buck stops with Bush." - Thomas Sowell

Offline 67 Rover

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6484
  • Reputation: +1723/-41
Re: Amazingly bad employment experience. A Bouncy
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2016, 02:09:29 PM »
El Chapo is hiring??
Logged
NRA Benefactor member
G.O.A. Life member
G.O.A.L. Life member
Certified Law Enforcement Sig Armorer

Offline SVPete

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 29468
  • Reputation: +3262/-248
Re: Amazingly bad employment experience. A Bouncy
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2016, 02:17:03 PM »
Quote from: dixierose on August 02, 2016, 01:59:18 PM
Wow...it looks like that may actually be a thing. Someone in that DU thread posted a link to an article about a woman being sued for "retention pay". Here's the link.

http://www.houstonpress.com/news/buc-ees-demands-67k-back-from-ex-employee-because-she-left-8540676

Wow, and this is in an at-will state where the employer can fire you without cause. I don't understand how that can be legal. Then again, I am far from a lawyer...

Hadn't heard of such a thing, but in the TX case it looks like it was laid out clearly in the contract, and there was mutual consideration - she got extra $$, and the company got an assurance that she would stay for a certain time period. Whether it's legal is a separate question.

Where the DU-member's post becomes thoroughly dubious, IMO, is with this:

Quote
Then I was supposed to be trained by the operations manager. He told me that the job involves supporting 5 other businesses owned by the company president. There was no mention of this at the interview. He said that the company president has lots of unethical business practices and that he will ask me to do things that are unethical.

The operations manager tells him the owner, "will ask me to do things that are unethical"? That's sounds pretty implausible. I've worked for a few equine rumps, but never one whose main manager said anything like that.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2016, 04:02:43 PM by SVPete »
Logged
If The Vaccine is deadly as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, millions now living would have died.

Offline Karin

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17752
  • Reputation: +1895/-81
Re: Amazingly bad employment experience. A Bouncy
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2016, 03:29:05 PM »
Quote
snooper2 (27,814 posts)

25. sounds like a cool story, the "operations manager" told you the president was unethical
 
within your first couple hours being there...RIGHT LOL

Quote



Response to milestogo (Original post)

Tue Aug 2, 2016, 02:30 PM

unblock (27,737 posts)

8. wow! at least it was very helpful that your trainer was so candid!
 
i've had a number of sucky job experiences, but one that takes the cake in my book was when the ceo of a company i worked for in austin took me for a car ride just outside of austin city limits and then asked me not to hire any gay people.

this was back when austin was one of the very few places where that was illegal. of course, the business was located in austin, so actually doing the asking in round rock was not a defense in any way but the ceo was not too bright in that way.

aside from being heinous legally and ethically, it was stupid business. his company was in dire straights and if a gay employee could save him why the hell wouldn't he want that? why tie your own hands?

i wanted to quit that day but thought i better discuss it with my now-wife first. happily, she was proud of me, though we figured it was best logistically for me to clear out my desk over the weekend. then i came in monday morning just to tell him i quit.
 

Quote



Response to unblock (Reply #8)

Tue Aug 2, 2016, 02:33 PM

milestogo (544 posts)

11. Years ago I heard a VP say to the hiring manager
 
"Be sure and interview a few minorities". The implication was clearly to interview and not hire minorities. So at least part of the reason I got the job was for not being a minority.
 

The DUmmie at least did name a name, and the company does seem very shady.  "Refinancing" and telemarketing. 

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/michael-eisenga-s-business-no-stranger-to-state-investigations/article_b25d054f-aeb2-54ab-8c52-b1b569cf68b3.html
Logged

Offline Patriot Guard Rider

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2651
  • Reputation: +650/-18
  • Yes, really. Liberals DO disgust me.
Re: Amazingly bad employment experience. A Bouncy
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2016, 05:35:11 PM »
Once upon a time many lives ago I was out of work and pretty much desperate. I applied to a company that gave me a first interview, then brought me back for a second.

At the second interview, I toured the floor (and was not impressed by work conditions or supervisors), and sat down with HR. They told me, and presented a "contract", that they were going to spend $10k on my training. I had to stay for two years (to work off the cost of training). If I left early, they'd dock me (roughly) $415 for each month I had left to the 2 year mark.

Luckily, I got another job offer in my field and took it.

I never looked back.

I kinda believe this DUmmie. Lots of shady (usually very small) employers prey on the out of work and desperate. They're like another revenue producer for them and I say that from first hand experience.
Logged
Liberals disgust me. (Now I don't have to remember to put it on each post).

Because only the left goes searching for that which is not there in a desperate attempt to be offended about something.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams

Many people do not see evil until the gas is flowing into the chamber. That is why they get on the trains in the first place.

Offline I_B_Perky

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7532
  • Reputation: +721/-329
Re: Amazingly bad employment experience. A Bouncy
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2016, 05:42:17 PM »
Quote from: Patriot Guard Rider on August 02, 2016, 05:35:11 PM
Once upon a time many lives ago I was out of work and pretty much desperate. I applied to a company that gave me a first interview, then brought me back for a second.

At the second interview, I toured the floor (and was not impressed by work conditions or supervisors), and sat down with HR. They told me, and presented a "contract", that they were going to spend $10k on my training. I had to stay for two years (to work off the cost of training). If I left early, they'd dock me (roughly) $415 for each month I had left to the 2 year mark.

Luckily, I got another job offer in my field and took it.

I never looked back.

I kinda believe this DUmmie. Lots of shady (usually very small) employers prey on the out of work and desperate. They're like another revenue producer for them and I say that from first hand experience.

Dummies lie. All the time dummies lie.

As for the training... I have been thru that. They give you formal training, you have to stay x number of time units or reimburse the employer on a pro rated basis.  Pretty standard in some fields. The key here is formal training. 
Logged
Living in the Dummies minds rent free since 2009!

Montani Semper Liberi

Offline Skul

  • Sometimes I drink water just to surprise my liver
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12475
  • Reputation: +914/-179
  • Chief of the cathouse
Re: Amazingly bad employment experience. A Bouncy
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2016, 05:55:22 PM »
Quote
   Amazingly bad employment experience
Translation: --- My piss sample was soooo hot, it glowed in the dark. 
Logged
Then-Chief Justice John Marshall observed, “Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos.”

John Adams warned in a letter, “Remember democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet, that did not commit suicide.”

Offline DumbAss Tanker

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 28493
  • Reputation: +1710/-151
Re: Amazingly bad employment experience. A Bouncy
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2016, 06:13:00 PM »
Quote from: fatboy on August 02, 2016, 01:52:41 PM
Employment is so overrated.

I know, right???

 :-)
Logged
Go and tell the Spartans, O traveler passing by
That here, obedient to their law, we lie.

Anything worth shooting once is worth shooting at least twice.

Offline YupItsMe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1124
  • Reputation: +138/-6
Re: Amazingly bad employment experience. A Bouncy
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2016, 06:23:11 PM »
Only 1 bouncy.  He completely neglected to tell us the unethical business owner was a "Repuke"  Sloppy!
Logged

Offline 98ZJUSMC

  • The Most Deplorable
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8424
  • Reputation: +436/-76
  • Now, with 99% less yellow!
Re: Amazingly bad employment experience. A Bouncy
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2016, 09:10:53 PM »
Quote from: CC27 on August 02, 2016, 01:36:54 PM
I bet you got a job at mcdonalds and refused to wear the hat.

 :-)
Logged
              

Liberal thinking is a two-legged stool and magical thinking is one of the legs, the other is a combination of self-loating and misanthropy.  To understand it, you would have to be able to sit on that stool while juggling two elephants, an anvil and a fragmentation grenade, sans pin.

"Accuse others of what you do." - Karl Marx

Offline Karin

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17752
  • Reputation: +1895/-81
Re: Amazingly bad employment experience. A Bouncy
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2016, 07:04:28 AM »
Quote
At the second interview, I toured the floor (and was not impressed by work conditions or supervisors), and sat down with HR. They told me, and presented a "contract", that they were going to spend $10k on my training. I had to stay for two years (to work off the cost of training). If I left early, they'd dock me (roughly) $415 for each month I had left to the 2 year mark.

Luckily, I got another job offer in my field and took it.

I never looked back.

I kinda believe this DUmmie. Lots of shady (usually very small) employers prey on the out of work and desperate. They're like another revenue producer for them and I say that from first hand experience.

I'm so glad you got another offer.  I would never, ever consider such an arrangement.  You just can't tell what you might be stepping into.  I'm in the accounting world, and if you do something unethical, your goose is cooked.  Nobody can predict the future, and I can't imagine having shackles on like that.  What if you need to move away due to family circumstances, etc.? 

I skimmed through the article about the company the DUmmie is talking about, and in this case, I believe him. 
Logged

Offline VelvetElvis

  • Misunderestimated
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1285
  • Reputation: +123/-5
  • Drill Sgt for the DeathSquadHateForce
Re: Amazingly bad employment experience. A Bouncy
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2016, 12:44:41 PM »
Quote
Then I was supposed to be trained by the operations manager. He told me that the job involves supporting 5 other businesses owned by the company president. There was no mention of this at the interview. He said that the company president has lots of unethical business practices and that She will ask me to do things that are unethical.


Oh, so the DUmmy applied for a job at the Clinton Foundation, I gather...
Logged
Proud Member of the Death Squad Hate Force Since  1980
Pages: [1]   Go Up
« previous next »