Please accept us on our terms!! I beg of thee!!

[USA4ME]

Bucky

My big fear: This is 1988 all over again.
 
I don't know how long you've been around politics. But I remember a guy in 1988 named Mike Dukakis. Competent, a little weak on the stump, but a proven performer in political administration. He started the Fall campaign with a 17 point polling lead over Poppy Bush (a universally ridiculed and idiosyncratic candidate), which is far better than Clinton's 9 points over Trumpenstein.

How did Bush win and reverse those numbers, winning with a 7% spread in November? He repaired relations with the conservative base and appealed to independents and hammered away at Dukakis's fundamental weaknesses as a candidate.

I don't think we should ever, ever underestimate the conservative populace's earnest willingness to rally round their One Strong Man. The wingnuts did it for Poppy Bush in 1988 (and cashed in their chips throughout the first Bush White House--mostly with SCOTUS nominees and killing condom-based AIDS prevention programs in Africa--**** all yall conservative mother****ers very much). Did they like him? No. Did they trust him? No.

But they pinched their noses and voted for him because if there's one thing a conservative has a talent for, it's willingly suspending doubts about a flawed man in service of a higher cause, and then marching along with the crowd. I'm sure there's some evangelists out there already figuring out how to convince their flocks that Donald Trump is just like that adulterous, murdering, corrupt, vainglorious King David. Hell, he's already married to Bathsheba.

(Yes, in this analogy, Goliath would be Howard Stern--do not trouble the minds of the Right or question the mysteries of the Lord)

But I digress. Well.

In our corner, apparently (and give me a minute here, guys, sniff) we've got our establishment candidate, Hillary Clinton. Now, I respect Clinton. She's done great service for the nation. But she's never provided that spark of inspiration that unites broad groups of people. Her negative are high--something Dukakis in his 24 point drop never had to contend with. She doesn't give the sort of inspiring speech that gradually or even temporarily wins over her opponents. Bubba had it. God****him, even Dubya had it, though to be fair, only when he had 9/11 at his back (it never worked on me or you, of course, but he quite deftly managed to parley his passing popularity into getting his Congressional agenda passed--and frequently he personally was more popular than his atrocious policy agenda). Obama, obviously, has that inspirational spark by the bucketloads.

By contrast, Secretary Clinton has been just barely able to beat Bernie Sanders for the nomination in a fight that has, unfortunately, exposed a lot of fundamental fissures within our party. Yet look at all her advantages. She had millions of dollars just drop into her lap--so many millions that she hardly made an effort to do real grass roots fundraising. The corporate media all but shut down all coverage of Sanders, a crotchety old septuagenarian with a harsh regional accent most associated with cranky misanthropic neighbors on sitcoms, a man who wasn't even a Democrat a full year ago, a man from a tiny state that even other New Englanders think is idiosyncratic, and on top of that he calls himself a Socialist. And this is the guy she's barely able to beat, even with the endorsements of practically every politician on Capital Hill and every state house? Oy.

Don't get me wrong. I love Bernie. But I won't kid myself that he's only ever been a stand-in for Elizabeth Warren.

Let me diagnose the problem right now, my beloved fellow Democrats. We suffer from overconfidence. We suffer from hubris. All this chatter about the Republican Party breaking up misses one key point. Republicans and conservatives are followers. They are by nature hungry to belong to something bigger than themselves. They want a big daddy to tell them what to do. They worship at the altar of Mammon and are about to nominate the golden-haired living son of Mammon... and they will do and believe anything to keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House. They will even swallow Donald Trump's outright mockery of the Bible as straight Gospel quotations just to believe that they're voting for the right side.

The time for Democratic Party in-fighting is just about over. I acknowledge my imminent defeat. But the people among the Hillary supporters who are crowing victory and now demanding that we all concede the day and fall in line behind the nominee are talking to the wrong ****ing party. Republicans fall in line. How else do you explain Rednecks for Romney or College Graduates for George W. Bush? Democrats are cats; we won't be herded. You gotta open up a can of tuna fish if you want us to come to your kitchen. The job isn't of the losers to fall in. The job is of the winning side, the leaders of the party, to give us something to believe in. You've GOT to win the Bernie voters over--which is how it should be in a democracy. Hell, half the Bernie voters aren't even Democrats. He's pulling his votes from independents and new voters who are still developing their political philosophies. That's exactly who you have to win over to beat Trump. Don't think for a second he doesn't have a plan to win over pro-reform voters. Clinton has got to get there first with a bigger offer.

Berners can be won over, but the appeal has to be genuine. This would be unexplored country for Secretary Clinton. She's been so scrutinized, so abused by so many powerful, hate-filled people over the years, that she's simply not inclined to be open and generous of spirit even on the eve of victory. She's not just inexperienced at keeping it real; she's quite bad at it. She plays that "I'm an outsider cause I'm a woman" card as if it's fooling anyone. No, Mrs-heir-apparent-to-the-president-of-the-United-States, you're not an outsider. You make a quarter of a million dollars telling something secret to Goldman Sachs; you're not an outsider. You had most of the Superdelegates in your pocket before a single vote was cast. You keep an enemies list with numerical rankings, confident that you'll be able to do payback on anyone who crosses you. I'm not stupid. I ****ing know you don't have a bottle of hot sauce in your purse. You're not an outsider. Don't insult me.

The biggest complaint among us Sandernistas is that we're losing our democracy. In a democracy, the voters are sovereign and the leaders are simply public servants. This is how it should be. Clinton needs to approach us, give us concessions, bargain with us, pitch her cause to us in terms we understand and will believe. Don't pull up in a limo and talk about how hard your struggles are. You caved on $15/hour. Cave to us again--not on every issue; you did win, after all--but give us a reason to come into the fold. This is how bargaining and compromise work in a democracy. That is how leaders lead, at least among Democrats. That is how you win.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511796405

The Bucky primitive tries to come off as though he isn't a sheep. Meanwhile, while reading his rant, all you really hear him say is "Baaaaaaa. Baaaaaaaaa."

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[franksolich]

 

Man, if this doesn't capture the Bernie bullies exactly:

We suffer from overconfidence. We suffer from hubris.

But of course I've been saying that all along, which is why all these Great Humiliations for the jerks has been s-o-o-o-o-o-o-o sweet.

[Big Dog]

The biggest complaint among us Sandernistas is that we're losing our democracy.

The United States is not a democracy, you stupid ****.

In a democracy, the voters are sovereign and the leaders are simply public servants. This is how it should be

No, in a democracy 50% plus one oppress the minority. It's mob rule. There may be public servants, but there are no "leaders".

Stupid ****.

[franksolich]

Question.

.....the voters are sovereign and the leaders are simply public servants. This is how it should be.....

If this is so, when are Bela Pelosi, Harry Reid, the Big Zero, Methuselah, Messalina Agrippina, &c., &c., &c., going to act like servants and serve us, rather than lord over us?

[franksolich]

Oh dear.

comment 3174:
http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=81827.3150

[Chris_]

..killing condom-based AIDS prevention programs in Africa--**** all yall conservative mother****ers very much).

Is Bucky having unprotected sex with African migrants?

Doing away with DDT has killed more Africans than AIDS ever will.

[I_B_Perky]

I don't think we should ever, ever underestimate the conservative populace's earnest willingness to rally round their One Strong Man. The wingnuts did it for Poppy Bush in 1988 (and cashed in their chips throughout the first Bush White House--mostly with SCOTUS nominees and killing condom-based AIDS prevention programs in Africa--**** all yall conservative mother****ers very much). Did they like him? No. Did they trust him? No.

Project much dummie? You would pull the lever for the D if it was Satan himself on the ballot.

I don't trust Trump and I definitely do not trust Hillary or Bernie.  Given those options I will vote for Trump even though I can't stand the asshole. Reason? This nation cannot stand another dem in the White House for another 8 years.  At least with Trump we might get some regulation relief.  He may or may not turn out to be a disaster, with the other side it would be a complete disaster.  At least with Trump the MSM would get it shoved back in their face.

[zeitgeist]

I been busy as a one armed man in a butt kicking contest lately and didn't have time to post this, but, this thread which I read a few days back, should fit nicely here.  I highly recommend folk amble over and take a look. 

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/12511793830

My vote based on that thread would have been RMN.  Let the fun begin.    They are like a bunch of tit sucking new born pups who's eyes will soon be opened to the world they have made.

[franksolich]

I been busy as a one armed man in a butt kicking contest lately and didn't have time to post this, but, this thread which I read a few days back, should fit nicely here.  I highly recommend folk amble over and take a look. 

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/12511793830

My vote based on that thread would have been RMN.  Let the fun begin.    They are like a bunch of tit sucking new born pups who's eyes will soon be opened to the world they have made.

DCBob (22,521 posts)    Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:16 PM

Question: Who was the last Democratic President Bernie supporters were happy with?
 
Can't be Obama or Bill Clinton.. they are too "corporate". Carter?? I dont think so. I guess we may have to go all way back to Kennedy or maybe for some Roosevelt. Seems there are few who would measure up the standards the Bernie people have set.

Many argue that the party no longer represents being Democratic. Seems to me the party has been like this ever since I can remember and I suspect I am quite a bit older than the typical Bernie supporter. So I don't get it... most of them haven't even experienced a "real Democrat" in the White House.

I think its more likely they are simply angry, they want to shake up the system, make some serious changes.. and they think Hillary wont do that. That may or may not be true.. but its not correct, in my opinion, to say the Democratic Party no longer represents Democratic ideals. That's simply ridiculous.

[zeitgeist]

Coach you got to love it.  It deserves a lot more sunshine than I have time to give it.   

[franksolich]

Coach you got to love it.  It deserves a lot more sunshine than I have time to give it.   

Yeah, even God couldn't make the Bernie bullies happy.....about anything.

[USA4ME]

I been busy as a one armed man in a butt kicking contest lately and didn't have time to post this, but, this thread which I read a few days back, should fit nicely here.  I highly recommend folk amble over and take a look. 

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/12511793830

My vote based on that thread would have been RMN.  Let the fun begin.    They are like a bunch of tit sucking new born pups who's eyes will soon be opened to the world they have made.

Lately I've noticed the primitives saying things about Dem leaders past and present that we've pointed out about them for years. Turn back the clock a year and these same libs would have defended their fellow Dems tooth and nail against such accusations. But now........  To me it's confirmation that what we say about Dems/libs is absolutely true, and they know it, but they'll lie, cheat, and steal before they'll ever admit it.

Hey primitives, the things we've been pointing out about your Dear Leader these past 8 years, take note. You'll be saying the same things about him soon enough.

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[98ZJUSMC]

He started the Fall campaign with a 17 point polling lead over Poppy Bush

Don't remember that....

[Carl]

Republicans and conservatives are followers. They are by nature hungry to belong to something bigger than themselves. They want a big daddy to tell them what to do.

Which of course explains why most of us vote for a government that does its Constitutional mandates and then leaves us the **** alone.

[franksolich]

Don't remember that....

I sort of do; and "17 points" seems about what I remember.

There was a lot of pessimism; it was a pretty depressing feeling.

But then people got their heads screwed on right, and in November George carried about 45 out of the 50 states in that election.

[jukin]

TLDR

I assume the low IQ DUche squirted out a pseudo intellectual diarrhea like circular argument that leftists are not lemmings and conservatives are big meanies. 

[Skul]

Oh dear.

comment 3174:
http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=81827.3150

Digging  a bit more.

BUCKY REA is founder at Invisible Lines, a troupe of poets who put other people's poetry on stage.

Uffda!
Calling CalPig.
Blink blink blink

[Skul]

Double Uffda!,
It  seems beaver boy lives  down here.   :

[Karin]

Puts poetry on stage?  I saw Bucky's picture, he looks just like a Chester the Child Molester.

I been busy as a one armed man in a butt kicking contest lately

Or as BFDU would put it, "I've been busier than a one-legged cat trying to bury a turd in a frozen pond." 

Obama, obviously, has that inspirational spark by the bucketloads.

Not really, Bucky, not since about 2004-2008.  Now it's all lectures about "who we are not" and nobody's listening anymore. 

[98ZJUSMC]

I sort of do; and "17 points" seems about what I remember.

There was a lot of pessimism; it was a pretty depressing feeling.

But then people got their heads screwed on right, and in November George carried about 45 out of the 50 states in that election.

K.  I wasn't really too concerned with politics, then.

[98ZJUSMC]

Obama, obviously, has that inspirational spark by the bucketloads.

Only because you feel you must genuflect to anything and everything minority.

...and, you have no mind.

[FunkyZero]

" In a democracy, the voters are sovereign and the leaders are simply public servants."

I just can't get past that part of it... these simpletons think we live under Democracy