Is the 2016 Election Already Being Stripped and flipped?

[dutch508]

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Star Member yuiyoshida (14,135 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027736931

Is the 2016 Election Already Being Stripped and Flipped?

Disturbing signs of the time-tested “Strip and Flip” strategy for stealing elections have already surfaced in 2016. Will they ultimately decide the outcome, as they have in too many recent elections?

The core approach is to STRIP citizens of their voting rights, then FLIP the electronic vote count if that’s not enough to guarantee a win for the corporate 1%. (Listen to a one-hour discussion with us, Brent Blackwelder, and Randy Hayes.)

Historically, “stripping” has been based on race. It’s rooted in the divide-and-conquer strategies of slavery and Jim Crow segregation. Today it centers on racist demands for photo ID and other scams designed to prevent blacks, Hispanics, the young, and the poor from voting.

“Flipping” is related to electronic voting machines, on which the vast majority of Americans will vote this fall. Nearly all these machines were bought with money from the 2002 Help America Vote Act, which came after the theft of the 2000 presidential election. Virtually all these machines are 10 years old or more, and can easily be hacked. Swing states Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Michigan, Iowa and Arizona, among others, have GOP governors and, except for Florida, secretaries of state who can easily flip the vote counts, once they are cast, without accountability or detection. Also, private partisan voting machine companies have unlimited access to the electronic poll books, voting machines, and central tabulators.

Those who dismiss such warnings as “conspiracy theory” might confront this simple question: “How will the electronic vote count in the 2016 election be verified?”

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/is_the_2016_election_already_being_stripped_and_flipped_20160404?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+Truthdig+Truthdig%253A+Drilling+Beneath+the+Headlines

 

stillwaiting (3,380 posts)
2. I strongly believe that many of HRC's wins have been padded. Perhaps heavily so.

It has been proven how easy it is to flip votes remotely.

I can think of no reason why TPTB wouldn't have done so.

In Virginia, I travel around the state for business. The results in Virginia do not come close to giving a picture of what I saw on the ground all over the state leading up to our Primary. I simply do not believe she won this state 65-35. No ****ing way.

We need to organize and change how we vote immediately.

Willow51 (2 posts)
3. Is the 2016 Election already being stripped or flipped.

According to Bev Harris at www.blackboxvoting.org, the software is being programmed in fractions not units. One unit = one vote. In fractions you can fix any election to your favor.

 

Star Member Pharaoh (7,833 posts)
41. why was she tombstoned? She knows all about this stuff. We need her!

trumad (40,917 posts)
47. Seriously. She's a ****ing scam artist and what she did to Andy Stephenson assures her a nice spot in hell.

 

Star Member Dustlawyer (6,016 posts)
28. Let's try Bernie's political revolution first. Yes it will take millions of committed Americans to

force the changes we need!

Crabby Appleton (4,843 posts)
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Star Member mountain grammy (10,487 posts)
32. This is sad and sickening and true..

But, I hear from my right wing inlaws..Obama only won because of massive voter fraud. They believe it unless they win, and with voter suppression, they keep winning, and gaining more power for more voter suppression laws to be passed and gerrymandered districts to be drawn. Everyone is marginalized except the "winners."

[franksolich]

I'm curious.

Seriously, I am.

trumad (40,917 posts)   Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:31 AM
 
47. Seriously. She's a ****ing scam artist and what she did to Andy Stephenson assures her a nice spot in hell.

11 Bravo (18,623 posts)    Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:42 AM

52. I think Bev is generally on the side of the angels with respect ...
 
to voting issues; but like you I can neither forget nor forgive her treatment of Andy.

Pharaoh (7,834 posts)    Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:00 PM

71. was out of the loop
 
Anyone want to fill me in?

disillusioned73 (1,118 posts)   Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:16 PM

88. Wow..
 
I was curious myself..

[link:http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/13/121559/-|

dmr (26,541 posts)    Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:47 PM

92. Amen, 11 Bravo
 
Bev truly was toxic, not only regarding Andy, but towards many DUers, and especially towards skinner, and DU as a discussion board.

What did the prominent voting reform activist do to the late red round one?

By the way, we're on the verge of the 11th anniversary of the scam that rocked the internet, which poor stupid Beth launched at 3:30 p.m. central time April 30, 2005.

[Chris_]

Allegations of Fraud Hound Andy Stephenson Charity Fundraising Campaign

 

[franksolich]

A collection of Big Mo-ania, which might or might not be particularly interesting, but it's been a while since Big Mo's been active, so this needs brought over here.

Gidney N Cloyd (14,418 posts)    Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:08 AM

18. Scanned paper ballots can be the best of both worlds.
 
Follow it up automatically with an official hand count (no waiting for a candidate to challenge the results in court-- AUTOMATICALLY).

mopinko (45,253 posts)    Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:52 AM

38. yup. i trust david orr.
 
cook county clerk, responsible for suburban cook county elections.

paper ballots, counter as they are put in the ballot box. the number of ballots are monitored and had better match up at the end of the night with the ballot counter. (there are touch screens, to accommodate voters who are handicapped or who have language problems, or provisional votes. anyone can use them, but judges tell me no one WANTS to use them. usually only have a handful of votes.)

most people dont know about the post election audits that actually are done in most places (afaik). they are done very quietly. but orr reports out the results of the audits, which he includes in his frequent emails.

he is one of the good ones. 

surrealAmerican (10,042 posts)    Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:38 AM

51. Thanks for the info, mo.
 
I did not know about the post-election audits.

One further detail: early voting, which has been growing in popularity, is all touch screens.

mopinko (45,253 posts)    Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:22 PM

60. which is why i never do it.
 
have only done it once, because i had to.

nonetheless, here, the machines are also audited. the paper trails are matched to the totals.

people should vote absentee instead, which is a paper ballot. here we have what they call "no fault absentee". in the past you have to prove you could not vote on election day, but you no longer have to have a reason. a little more cumbersome than early voting, but worth the trouble.

questionseverything (3,764 posts)   Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:18 PM

57. our elections should not come down to trusting anything but our own eyes
 
the entire Constitution is set up on a system of checks and balances

we the people should be the check on our election results but when numbers are aggravated by computers we have no way to oversee that count

i am sure some election officials are trying hard to run free and fair elections but there is just too much proof out there elections can be manipulated electronically to "trust" it does not happen

bernie lost illinois by about 36,000 votes and there are about 100,000 precincts so flipping illinois would of taken a couple votes per precinct on the average...that small of a change (even if it was caught in an audit) would not meet the requirement for a full hand count

the humbolt county project , where ballots were scanned, and released so everyone could double check the count found one entire category of votes dropped

http://humtp.com/page3.html

The software error reportedly first came to Bowen's attention after Humboldt County Registrar of Voters Carolyn Crnich informed her office that the first-of-its-kind Humboldt County Election Transparency Project found that 197 vote-by-mail ballots, which had been scanned through vote counting machines, mysteriously disappeared from the final ballot tally as tabulated by the GEMS software.

The problem was traced to a programming error with the specific version of the software used in Humboldt -- a programming error that sometimes results in the first deck of ballots scanned through the vote counting machine, known as “Deck 0,” vanishing without a trace from the final results.

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audits with small samples would not have caught that

something similar happened recently with the w virginia ag race....it was a citizen reporting that there were not enough of the absentee ballots being reported

after much back and forth between election officials and the citizen, the eo relented and "found" around 3000 absentee ballots had been dropped

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in summary i believe that unless the average citizen can oversee the entire election process it is not free or fair or worthy of the label democracy

mopinko (45,253 posts)    Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:33 PM

64. i totally agree, but
 
here the election judges are required to post the tape at the end of the night. if "we the people" want to make sure that is what got recorded, it is not that hard to do. it does take legwork, but it is doable.

the audits are observed by citizens, tho they are pretty much hand picked by the clerk. i am sure that if people were aware of this, and wanted to observe, they would be allowed. i dont know what the threshold for a full recount is, but i suspect that a pattern of a vote or 2 per precinct would at least trigger a bigger audit.

an informed and active "we the people" could make a bigger difference than they think.
most importantly, we need good citizens to serve as election judges. in smaller districts, that is often the case. here in chi, with so many polling places, unfortunately the people who are available for a grueling day for a pittance are not always the sharpest knives in the drawer. or the most honest. and i know from my own experience that it is hard to get rid of some of them.

anybody who is concerned about the integrity of elections should do their duty and be a judge. employers should be required to give people the day off to do so. (and the next day to recover. lol) 

[franksolich]

Allegations of Fraud Hound Andy Stephenson Charity Fundraising Campaign

 

You realize of course that was simply a rhetorical question.   

[Chris_]

You realize of course that was simply a rhetorical question.   

oh. 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3783013

[franksolich]

oh. 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3783013

Ah, yeah.

That was when the dissenting members of democraticunderground were running the web-site, which wasn't for a very long time before it fell onto this lap.  I didn't know the whole "back-story" of it, and stumbled grievously when asked about it during an interview. 

Excresence happens; one accepts, adapts, and moves on.

I always thought however that the malicious cartoon character primitive, Kevin Mace, showed an abysmal lack of a sense of humor over it; I'll bet the guy's a bundle of laughs to be with.

[GOBUCKS]

What did the prominent voting reform activist do to the late red round one?

Well, by all reports, she didn't clock him with a 1 3/8" adjustable SK wrench.

We're still waiting for poor addled grasswipe to wrap up her investigation and announce who did.

Her announcement will be as reliable as Big Mo's faith in the honesty of Cook County elections.

[Big Dog]

I have no desire to see almost 100% of the Dumpmonkeys stripped and flipped*.

*Exception made for The Trophy Wife.

[thundley4]

we the people should be the check on our election results but when numbers are aggravated by computers we have no way to oversee that count

I agree. Screw all this early voting and ease of absentee ballot bullshit. The only people allowed to vote by absentee ballot should be the military, and other government employees forced by their jobs to be  out of the country on voting day.

[Crazy Horse]

 I wonder if they know that the 2000 paper ballots in Florida were printed by a North Carolina company?

[thundley4]

I wonder if they know that the 2000 paper ballots in Florida were printed by a North Carolina company?

But they were designed by the Floriduh Democrats.

[miskie]

Stripped & flipped ?

I thought that's what several male DUmmies do/have done to them in prison.

[SVPete]

Talk about being in disarray! DU folk are playing the Stolen Election Card during primary season ... against each other!

Of course, I highly approve of the latter, and the early timing will make playing the Stolen Election Card in November, if "need" be, look all the more tired and sour-grapes silly.

[sargentodiaz]

[Big Dog]

Stripped & flipped ?

I thought that's what several male DUmmies do/have done to them in prison.

Prison, college, the local crackhouse or hobo hotel... samey same.

[Big Dog]

I have some bad news for you, Trumpazoid. There is another political party with ballot access in all 50 states, with a candidate polling at 11% in a head to head with Donald "Winning!" Trump and Over-The-Hil'.  None of the candidates for that party suckle at the government's teat, nor milk it for his own benefit like "Mr. Winning!"

Your party does not exist to love you, respect you, or value you beyond your vote and donations. It exists to support itself, not you. Expecting anything else is childish, like a DUmmy expecting Apple or Walmart to put "people over profit".

Grow up already. Schoolhouse Rock was a fantasy.