primitive has enough, but wants more

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027671042

Oh my.

This primitive's a regular in the brand-new "Working Poor" forum on Skins's island, by the way.

http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=106724.0

Anyway; the primitive's jealous because he knows someone who's better at scamming the system than he is.

CountAllVotes (13,842 posts)    Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:43 AM

When is enough ever enough?
 
out there.

I've been dealing with some people I've known for almost 30 years as of recent. They are very well off and have managed to become very well off by being models for truly knowing how to scam the system, and I mean via professional routes that involve doctors, lawyers, officers of the law, etc., not someone getting a few food stamps that some out there may think are something you need to prove you require to live and as icing on the cake, they'll drug test you to boot in order to receive this paltry "benefit".

Said people sue everyone that crosses their path and they seem to make out pretty good much of the time but my god, what a hell of a way to "get" something in life.

People like this manage to screw the system well as they have the money behind them to do it which is a must to be truly successful at it seems to me. It is anything but a nickel and dime operation, we are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars, perhaps even millions and plenty of doctors and lawyers to go with every step of the operation.

I wonder too often, why don't people like this ever get caught? If they do get caught, what price do they ever pay if any?

Enough is enough for me but never enough for some it seems.

Does karma every catch up with the real thieves in our country like these sorts? If not, well, this is where the focus should be, not on videotaping some person that can barely get out of bed more days than they care to admit.

End of rant.   

Note: Comments are gratefully appreciated because if you had not guessed, I'm having a very difficult time wrapping my head around the reality of people like this, and yes, there are plenty of them around but perhaps not obvious being they drive new cars and live in million dollar homes and no one bats an eyeball.  again ... 

PoliticAverse (14,516 posts)   Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:49 AM

1. I often think that the idea that "karma" will "even the score" is propagated
 
to prevent the people getting screwed from getting really mad and doing something about it.

CountAllVotes (13,842 posts)    Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:55 AM

2. Well I'll tell you ...
 
I'm getting pretty angry about this situation and I wonder if I should "act"?

If I'm waiting on "karma", I may wait a long time while in the meantime, folks are doing without, living on the streets, homeless, etc. while these sorts just walk by with some negative remark acting as if they are better than.

What really did it for me is the fact that these greedy people are envious of me because I have better health insurance than they do. Pretty sick eh? 

Cover-up word KARMA. Convenient too ... 

pansypoo53219 (11,513 posts)   Thu Mar 10, 2016, 04:22 AM

5. duh. BE kharma! YOU.. yes. report. its called STEALING.

CountAllVotes (13,842 posts)    Thu Mar 10, 2016, 04:34 AM

7. The former employer financing a big portion of this does take anonymous tips
 
And yes, I am going to call!

When I think of what I have gone through and what little I have to live on because I don't care to lie, cheat or steal, I have what I have and I am grateful for it. So many others are in the same boat. Too sick to even THINK about scamming the system!

I don't expect anything and I certainly do not condemn someone who has ends up homeless, etc. Things happen in life and things like buying a new car every year are beyond my comprehension.

Enough is enough!

I refuse to be a part of this crap. They can keep Mr. Trump and his B.S. and rot alongside him for all I care.

PatrickforO (3,903 posts)    Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:58 AM

3. At heart, this is an existential question.
 
Metaphysical things aside, the current nearly universal anger Americans are feeling is the backlash against decades of having people such as you describe calling the shots. Bernie's 'political revolution' is the way things will 'catch up' with the rascals.

Back when I was a kid, in the 1960s we still believed that good would ultimately triumph, and generally (if white like me) believed the system was beneficent and that in the end, justice would prevail. But the deck has gotten so stacked against us that this confidence in our own social fabric is no longer tenable. We are in what sociologists call a state of 'anomie' or normlessness.

It is not the first time, either. Historically, when the imbalance becomes too great the 'real thieves' pay with blood when the revolutionary mob comes rampaging through killing everyone in sight. Happily, this political revolution being offered by Bernie Sanders, who only wishes to bring back the New Deal, offers the 1% a real way to continue to live good lives and prosper. This is why the establishment really needs to listen to Bernie, and throw us a few bones. If we did the things in Bernie's platform for the American people, it would buy the current batch of oligarchs (thieves and parasites that they are) another hundred years of prosperity at a very, very low price, just by loosening up a little.

Hortensis (5,113 posts)    Thu Mar 10, 2016, 04:01 AM

4. I've noticed a tendency over the years for conservatives [sic]
 
among our acquaintanceship to defraud public relief programs, such as through FEMA (lots of landslides, earthquakes, subsidence, etc., in California). If you don't believe in a safety net program, if you choose to believe it's totally corrupt, that you pay for others to scam it, and if you'd like to see it destroyed, then apparently you can believe you're justified in sticking your own hand into the public pocket and pick some of your "own" money back out. And, of course, telling everyone proudly about it at parties.

I'm afraid I was guilty the first couple of decades of listening mostly quietly to braggings in gatherings of this behavior, but eventually I started explaining more firmly that we paid into those programs to help people who would be ruined without their safety net, not to help affluent professionals remodel their bathroom on the taxpayer's dime.

I'm pretty sure that the only effect was that we heard a lot less of these stories and saw a lot less of this type of person -- by mutual agreement. Unfortunately, the rabid anti-government ideology so carefully developed by cynical destroyers assures me that this behavior must be more alive and well than ever. Unless Obama has made it at least harder for these hypocritical thieving sponges after W was out, which would actually be likely.

CountAllVotes (13,842 posts)    Thu Mar 10, 2016, 04:27 AM

6. I wish it was a lot more difficult for them
 
As they wait for a forth go round with SSA to get retro SSDI benefits while NOW collecting SSA due to age! They want more, retro SSDI with a lawyer lined up that collects 75% of the retro benefit if the lawyer wins the case! I'd never considered such an option but people like this have the money to buy all of this insurance for this, insurance for that and gee, the next thing you know that half a million dollar home they are living in is paid off in full. Too bad the insurance company didn't dig a bit deeper and look at the reality of this situation is all I can say before paying that one off as the problem used to justify having the loan on the house paid off in full was there long before said house was ever financed.

It is people like this that cause vets and people seriously disabled having to wait for years to be heard because of a 3-4 year backlog in cases clogging up the system. The cases clogging up the system are these types, not some people like this man I know of that has gone blind from MS and no, it is not coming back this time around and no disability benefits for him for some strange reason! He too is now on round four with a lawyer supposedly handling his case. 

I agree, I think Sen. Sanders would go after these never have enough frauds. I hope that Sec. Clinton would do the same I can only hope.

Enough is enough! 

[SVPete]

Initially I was pretty skeptical of the post. At first it sounded like standard-issue envious carping at professions - e.g. doctors - who (used to) make a lot of $$ while working crazy hours. But then I saw these paragraphs, and I recognized what the OP had in mind.

I've been dealing with some people I've known for almost 30 years as of recent. They are very well off and have managed to become very well off by being models for truly knowing how to scam the system, and I mean via professional routes that involve doctors, lawyers, officers of the law, etc., not someone getting a few food stamps that some out there may think are something you need to prove you require to live and as icing on the cake, they'll drug test you to boot in order to receive this paltry "benefit".

Said people sue everyone that crosses their path and they seem to make out pretty good much of the time but my god, what a hell of a way to "get" something in life.

People like this manage to screw the system well as they have the money behind them to do it which is a must to be truly successful at it seems to me. It is anything but a nickel and dime operation, we are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars, perhaps even millions and plenty of doctors and lawyers to go with every step of the operation.

While ambulance chasers are not a new phenomenon, with Bureaucratic Regulatory Rule and creative theories of liability came new avenues for leeching off the system. An example of the former would the equine anuses who make a living off of threatening to (and sometimes actually doing it) sue small businesses in older buildings if their entry ramps or restrooms or ?? don't meet ADA standards. If you want to see the fruit of the latter, just count the warning labels on products and pages of user manual warnings whose real meaning is, "Don't do stupid stuff."

IOW, whether Regulocratic loopholes-for-leeches or crazy liability lawsuits, it's a product of Libs' and Progs' ideology and envy. So, beloved DU-member CAV, you all created what you whine about. Now it's time for you all to:

[USA4ME]

You mean big gov't programs, rules and regulations (social safety net) are ripe with individuals who abuse the system? Who knew? Obviously the answer to all this is bigger gov't programs with even more rules and regulations.

.

[98ZJUSMC]

You mean big gov't programs, rules and regulations (social safety net) are ripe with individuals who abuse the system? Who knew? Obviously the answer to all this is bigger gov't programs with even more rules and regulations.

.

Well, of course.  'Cuz:

This is why the establishment really needs to listen to Bernie, and throw us a few bones. If we did the things in Bernie's platform for the American people, it would buy the current batch of oligarchs (thieves and parasites that they are) another hundred years of prosperity at a very, very low price, just by loosening up a little.    

See?  Feeling the Bern costs very little!!


 

[SVPete]

It is not the first time, either. Historically, when the imbalance becomes too great the 'real thieves' pay with blood when the revolutionary mob comes rampaging through killing everyone in sight. Happily, this political revolution being offered by Bernie Sanders, who only wishes to bring back the New Deal, offers the 1% a real way to continue to live good lives and prosper. This is why the establishment really needs to listen to Bernie, and throw us a few bones. If we did the things in Bernie's platform for the American people, it would buy the current batch of oligarchs (thieves and parasites that they are) another hundred years of prosperity at a very, very low price, just by loosening up a little.

There is a significant historical precedent for this program of a government command economy through keeping capitalists in golden cages. Of course, were I to be specific I would be fulfilling Godwin's Law, even if I excluded the ethnic supremacy and antisemitism aspects.

[Carl]

So it is pissed at liberals?

[franksolich]

So it is pissed at liberals?

You know, I'm really bored with the primitives interpreting history, even the trained ones.

They have no idea what the French Revolution was all about.

True, it was essentially the peasants against the nobility, but that class conflict was only superficial; there was something more important underneath.

The French Revolution was really about the producing classes finally getting tired of being bled white by the non-producing classes, and attempting to upset the system that allowed it.

A present-day analogy would be taxpayers versus non-taxpayers.

But I suppose it's pointless to try and explain that to the history- and interpretive-challenged primitives.....

[BannedFromDU]

CountAllVotes (13,842 posts)    Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:43 AM

When is enough ever enough?
 
out there.

I've been dealing with some people I've known for almost 30 years as of recent. They are very well off and have managed to become very well off by being models for truly knowing how to scam the system work hard, and I mean via professional routes that involve doctors, lawyers, officers of the law, etc. They are not someone getting a few food stamps that some out there may think are something you need to prove you require to live and as icing on the cake, they'll drug test you to boot in order to receive this paltry "benefit".

Said people sue work harder than everyone that crosses their path and they seem to make out pretty good much of the time but my god, what a hell of a way to "get" something in life.

People like this manage to screw the systemsucceed well as they have the money motivation behind them to do it which is a must to be truly successful at it seems to me. It is anything but a nickel and dime operation, we are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars, perhaps even millions and plenty of doctors and lawyers to go with every step of the operation to keep them healthy and within the law.

I wonder too often, why don't people like this ever get caughtfail as badly as I do? If they do get caught fail, what price do they ever pay if anycauses them to start over again, where I just crawl into a faggoty ball and cry myself to sleep?

Enough of their money is neverenough for me but never enough for some it seems.

Does karma every catch up with the real thieves in our country like these sorts? If not, well, this is where the focus should be, not on videotaping some person that can barely get out of bed more days than they care to admit.

End of rant.   

Note: Comments are gratefully appreciated because if you had not guessed, I'm having a very difficult time wrapping my head around the reality of people like this, and yes, there are plenty of them around but perhaps not obvious being they drive new cars and live in million dollar homes and no one bats an eyeball.  again ... I'm a worthless piece of jealous shit.

Obviously, I read the post differently than some would. This is nothing more than a DUmbass who refuses to work and hasn't the capacity for work, anyway.

[Karin]

I wish the OP had been more specific as to what is going on with these people he knows.  What exactly are they doing to scam the system?  Is it an ethically rotten doctor being a Doctor Feelgood pill dispensary?  Is it a LEO getting a double dip pension?  Is it a lawyer getting his palm greased by a government official ala Chicagoland?  Come on, CAV, give it up. 

[GOBUCKS]

Sounds like someone just got an eviction notice.