NAZIs didn't like back people! DU amazed.

[dutch508]

In the black forum of DU we find this:

BlueMTexpat (4,944 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/118737700

What happened to black Germans under the Nazis


A targeted group that has received scant attention ...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/what-happened-to-black-germans-under-the-nazis-a6839216.html

The 1935 Nuremberg Laws stripped Jews of their German citizenship and prohibited them from marrying or having sexual relations with “people of German blood”.

A subsequent ruling confirmed that black people (like “gypsies”) were to be regarded as being “of alien blood” and subject to the Nuremberg principles. Very few people of African descent had German citizenship, even if they were born in Germany, but this became irreversible when they were given passports that designated them as “stateless negroes”.
...
Instead, the process that ended with incarceration usually began with a charge of deviant or antisocial behaviour. Being black made people visible to the police, and it became a reason not to release them once they were in custody.

In this respect, we can see black people as victims not of a peculiarly Nazi racism, but of an intensified version of the kinds of everyday racism that persist today.


Very interesting read. I wish that I could post more.

Gypsies and Negros being two separate races but **** it, we'll just all call them people of color...

brer cat (5,458 posts)
1. Thank you for posting this historical record that usually merits a footnote at best in accounts of that period. Having grown up in the Jim Crow south, this hit home: "One legacy of that was a long silence about the human face of Germany’s colonial history: the possibility that black and white Germans could share a social and cultural space."

K&R

OFFF. NAZIs were racist assholes. Glad you Dump Monkiez have finally figured that out.

p.s. JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs were considered 'people of color' too.

 

[SVPete]

Ummmmmm ... as best I know, anti-"miscegenation" laws, in states that had them (California did, from what I've heard), haven't been enforced to any significant degree - if at all - in my lifetime. And I was born during Eisenhower's first term as POTUS. Crap like whites-only accommodations were outlawed in the 50s and 60s, and were far from nation-wide. Segregated schools? Outlawed in the 50s and integrated in the 50s and 60s ... where there were segregated schools. I attended, in the 60s and 70s, the same "integrated" schools my parents attended in the 10s, 20s, and 30s (the word "integrated" wasn't even used! the schools just served anyone/everyone in the districts).

Many/Most DU-folk evidently live in the South of the first half of the 20th Century, when such racism and racial discrimination was alive, but dying. Or maybe in the de-facto-segregated northern cities like Boston and Chicago of the 50s and 60s - racism covered with a veneer of politeness?

[98ZJUSMC]

Many/Most DU-folk evidently live in the South of the first half of the 20th Century, when such racism and racial discrimination was alive, but dying. Or maybe in the de-facto-segregated northern cities like Boston and Chicago of the 50s and 60s - racism covered with a veneer of politeness?

No.  They're just habitual liars.

[Carl]

None of them ever heard of Jesse Owens?

[BannedFromDU]

None of them ever heard of Jesse Owens?

     They should: he makes damn good breakfast sausage.

[USA4ME]

What black Germans?

I've talked to men and women who were children in Germany during WW2 and tell me they never saw a black person until some time after the war had ended and the US military had black servicemen serving there.

That's probably one reason the DFW primitive lives in Germany. His excuse is his wife being German, but go to Germany today and you don't see black people hardly at all.

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[Duke Nukum]

Margret Sanger didn't like black people very much either but hey, wanting to eliminate an entire race made abortion safe for women.

[67 Rover]

Margret Sanger didn't like black people very much either but hey, wanting to eliminate an entire race made abortion safe for women.

The silent Holocaust.

[dutch508]

heaven05 (11,291 posts)
3. did America learn

How to treat AA from Nazi Germany or did Nazi Germany learn how to treat AA from America? Same question regarding s. Africa during it's apartheid era.....I believe the answer is apparent. The lesson is still being taught to the world in this the 21st century....leader of the world....true

Hard to say. Roosevelt was a rabid racist but he was a JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

But yes... NAZI Germany and Hitler learned hate from the USA. 

However- you can't be African American if you are German and Black.

m-lekktor (1,953 posts)
15. One of the titles of the books I listed in post #14 seems to imply otherwise.

I haven't read it yet but the name of the books is "Hitler's Black Victims: The Historical Experiences of European Blacks, Africans and African Americans During the Nazi Era (Crosscurrents in African American History)".

That book talks about how the Germans dealt with Africans and others of color including American POWs who were black. NOT German-African Americans.

 

heaven05 (11,291 posts)
10. I was born in Germany 1948 Lived there 2 years...before being adopted....wonder what those two years did to my impressionable mind and spirit....question makes one go hhmmmmmm5

 

Star Member JustAnotherGen (19,643 posts)
19. I lived there until I was 5

1978 - I didn't know older white people could be cruel to children until I came to the US. Even on military housing - I didn't know. Your parents and grandparents peers learned. They were very very kind.

randys1 (15,370 posts)
27. You personally experienced older white Americans being cruel to you as a child?

How do you live that and not be so bitter you react very differently than you are here?

What special trait do you have, that I dont, that allows you to not react VERY DIFFERENTLY as I know white people would do?

  WTF is randy smoking?

PatrickforO (3,342 posts)
28. If Trump gets in, this same shit will begin to happen to blacks, Mexicans and others of Hispanic descent, and Muslims. Basically anyone with brown skin will be ****ed.

These heavily armed right wing nutjobs that are Trump's fervent base of supporters are horrifyingly similar to the early SA or the Stahlhelm. The problem with right wing hyper-nationalist demagoguery is that when they get in power, the oligarchs settle in like old, white, wrinkled, liver-spotted profit-vultures because they know there's gonna be a war soon. Hitler's guys bashed heads in the street and Trump's supporters are bashing heads in his rallies.

So...right wing, hyper-nationalist xenophobe dictator combined and shaken with a bunch of oligarchs makes a fascist vinaigrette.

Think I'm kidding? It cost the world upwards of 80 billion lives to get rid of Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo, and then we had a cold war that lasted another 35 years and gave us a bunch of proxy wars where tens of thousands of our people perished, not to mention hundreds of thousands of people in the countries where we fought. My dad fought in the Second World War and hoped until the day he died that we'd never, ever have to fight that kind of battle ever again. Now, here we are positioning ourselves to fight it against Trump and the current batch of billionaire oligarchs.

There's one candidate that seems to be the best bet. For me, at least. I'm a middle aged white guy, so take that with a grain of salt, but I'm supporting Bernie all the way. People of color will have to make up their own minds who they want to support. I hope it is Bernie, because I think he's got a great package to inject some serious economic and social justice into our nation.

I urge all of you reading this to caucus or vote in your state's primary. It's THAT important. It really is.

Oh for ****'s face. Sadly there's people on this site who would support the beginning of this insane rant and simply swap out Bernie for a Republican nom.

BlueMTexpat (4,955 posts)
29. If ANY Republican gets into the WH, basically everyone is f*cked.

But POC will be f*cked worst of all.

 

[CollectivismMustDie]

None of them ever heard of Jesse Owens?

Only when its convenient.


CMD

[thundley4]

heaven05 (11,291 posts)
3. did America learn

How to treat AA from Nazi Germany or did Nazi Germany learn how to treat AA from America?

Hitler is said to have been a big fan of Margaret Sanger, just like Hillary is.

[miskie]

Many/Most DU-folk evidently live in the South of the first half of the 20th Century, when such racism and racial discrimination was alive, but dying. Or maybe in the de-facto-segregated northern cities like Boston and Chicago of the 50s and 60s - racism covered with a veneer of politeness?

If one wants to see racism alive and well, all one needs to do is visit big, blue Boston. Its pretty much every race & ethnicity hating every race & ethnicity other than their own.

Yet they are all solidly Democrats.. How can that be ? 

[SVPete]

If one wants to see racism alive and well, all one needs to do is visit big, blue Boston. Its pretty much every race & ethnicity hating every race & ethnicity other than their own.

Yet they are all solidly Democrats.. How can that be ?

One of the many consequences of Libs/Progs refusing to recognize what wretches - to use John Newton's term - we human are is that they can't see that xenophobia (using the term broadly) is pretty much part of human nature.

The Nazis hatred for Jews, Gypsies, etc. was rooted in fear and distrust of their distinctive different subcultures. The same can be said, with variation being in the details, of white-black (and black-white) racism in the US, of whites-"coloreds"-blacks racism in South Africa, of Han Chinese-non-Han Chinese racism in China, of etc., etc., etc.. And, as would be expected, such xenophobia pervades human history (e.g. the etymology of the word "barbarian").

You knew this shoe was going to drop ... DU-folk and similar Libs/Progs display exactly the same kind of xenophobia in their condemnations and denigrations of conservatives and Christians (not a comprehensive list). Such Libs and Progs are willfully and lazily deeply ignorant of and misunderstand/misconstrue conservative and Christian ideas and beliefs, and their hatred really comes down to conservatives' and Christians' ideas and beliefs being different from those of Libs and Progs.

Sadly, I have seen the same sort of lack of knowledge and understanding in the reverse direction.

[Maverick1987]

One of the many consequences of Libs/Progs refusing to recognize what wretches - to use John Newton's term - we human are is that they can't see that xenophobia (using the term broadly) is pretty much part of human nature.

The Nazis hatred for Jews, Gypsies, etc. was rooted in fear and distrust of their distinctive different subcultures. The same can be said, with variation being in the details, of white-black (and black-white) racism in the US, of whites-"coloreds"-blacks racism in South Africa, of Han Chinese-non-Han Chinese racism in China, of etc., etc., etc.. And, as would be expected, such xenophobia pervades human history (e.g. the etymology of the word "barbarian").

You knew this shoe was going to drop ... DU-folk and similar Libs/Progs display exactly the same kind of xenophobia in their condemnations and denigrations of conservatives and Christians (not a comprehensive list). Such Libs and Progs are willfully and lazily deeply ignorant of and misunderstand/misconstrue conservative and Christian ideas and beliefs, and their hatred really comes down to conservatives' and Christians' ideas and beliefs being different from those of Libs and Progs.

Sadly, I have seen the same sort of lack of knowledge and understanding in the reverse direction.

Well stated. H5

It's infuriating to watch them excuse their own hatred, racism, & bigotry by projecting them onto "others"

I genuinely mean it when I say:  DU is the most racist and bigoted forum I've ever seen

[SVPete]

Well stated. H5

It's infuriating to watch them excuse their own hatred, racism, & bigotry by projecting them onto "others"

I genuinely mean it when I say:  DU is the most racist and bigoted forum I've ever seen

Thanks. It's the same xenophobia/racism, different targets.

Just to be clear, I've not been posting about opposition of some set of ideas that one has learned about and understands to a significant degree. I've been speaking of the kind of ignorant hatred such as TMN's for Christians, an ignorance he demonstrates with ludicrous claims and ridiculous historical and religio-social errors. TMN is not unique among DU-folk in his willful ignorance, bitterness, and hatred, just a glaring example.

[Ralph Wiggum]

If one wants to see racism alive and well, all one needs to do is visit big, blue Boston. Its pretty much every race & ethnicity hating every race & ethnicity other than their own.

Yet they are all solidly Democrats.. How can that be ?

Last major league baseball team to have an African American player: The Boston Red Sox.  The cradle of so called liberalism, tolerance & acceptance.

[Ralph Wiggum]

     They should: he makes damn good breakfast sausage.

:ROFL: