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primitives squabble over altitude and heaters
« on: November 07, 2015, 04:48:24 PM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11583819

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Thu Oct 29, 2015, 09:39 PM
Star Member Kali (41,732 posts)

ventless heater question

so I am about ready to finally get one of these

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200649343_200649343

and I am reading the page, only to come across THIS little tidbit:
This unit will not work at elevations above 4500 feet.


I am at exactly 4500 feet. What does that mean?

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Thu Oct 29, 2015, 09:47 PM
PoliticAverse (13,735 posts)
2. It means you probably shouldn't buy one.

Apparently the issue is with the reduced amount of oxygen in the air at higher altitudes
which doesn't allow the oxygen sensors in the units to function as designed.

See: http://www.ventfree.org/content/view/43/18/

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Fri Oct 30, 2015, 05:27 PM
Star Member Kali (41,732 posts)
5. thanks for that link!

it looks like it actually means the safety off sometimes kicks in more at higher altitudes but that the device itself is not unsafe. cool, and the page also says that 4500 mark was kind of arbitrary and that they seem to work ok on up to 6000 feet.

plus this house is NOT well sealed or insulated so I have that going for me too!

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Thu Oct 29, 2015, 09:49 PM
Star Member Warpy (85,389 posts)
3. It means reconsider your choice

The reason there's an altitude limitation is that there's no oxygen up here and it's likely to start producing a lot of carbon monoxide. I also wouldn't use it in a super insulated house. Note it can't be sold in California or Canada, it won't meet their strict indoor emissions controls.

Since you're right at the limit, you might get away with it, but get a carbon monoxide detector.

I'd be more inclined to get a unit that works with a through the wall vent.

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Fri Oct 30, 2015, 05:31 PM
Star Member Kali (41,732 posts)
6. read the link from above

looks like the "problem" is the O2 sensor shutting the gas off rather than any kind of real problem, so I went ahead and ordered it, will let everybody know how it works in a few months. I think you are closer to 6000 am I right? do they sell them up there? they have them in the hardware stores and at tractor supply in town but that is at 3500 so I wasn't positive they would work up here. from the link I am willing to give one a try.

I suppose if we don't hear back we know what happened.   :popcorn:

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7. No, they don't sell them up here!

Everything up here has to be vented, pretty much. I have a woodstove and didn't seal up any of the cracks when I moved in.

I think they've probably been conservative in their altitude limitation. I would still get the CO detector, they're really cheap insurance for an unvented gas unit.

I have one because my floor furnace was installed in 1946. It's older than I am.

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Re: primitives squabble over altitude and heaters
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2015, 04:58:46 PM »
Don't worry about that warning label, DUmmy. They don't really mean it.



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Re: primitives squabble over altitude and heaters
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2015, 05:04:44 PM »
I would rank carbon monoxide poisoning right near, or possibly at the top of my list of ways to go.

Next would be drowning.

Come on, Kali!  Do it for the environment!  Someone has to displace all of that energy that Warpy's 70 year old inefficient heater uses!
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Re: primitives squabble over altitude and heaters
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2015, 07:42:57 AM »
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•Heats up to 1000 square feet
•Burns natural gas or propane
•99% energy efficient
•No venting or chimney required
•Can be used with included wall mounting bracket or free-standing with optional base legs, Item# 173958, sold separately
•Works with optional blower, Item# 173957, sold separately

primitive, I suggest you use real gasoline rather than natural gas or propane. From what I've read it really increases the heat coming from the unit. You're welcome.

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Re: primitives squabble over altitude and heaters
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2015, 07:54:50 AM »
Quote from: USA4ME on November 09, 2015, 07:42:57 AM
primitive, I suggest you use real gasoline rather than natural gas or propane. From what I've read it really increases the heat coming from the unit. You're welcome.

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Re: primitives squabble over altitude and heaters
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2015, 08:07:48 AM »
You know, this is the best advice; the absolutely best advice:

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PoliticAverse (13,735 posts)    Thu Oct 29, 2015, 09:47 PM

2. It means you probably shouldn't buy one.

It's s-o-o-o-o-o unmistakeably clear, so apparent, in its meaning.

But how much does one want to bet the high-altitude primitives'll ignore it and buy one anyway?
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Re: primitives squabble over altitude and heaters
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2015, 08:23:03 AM »
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3. It means reconsider your choice

The reason there's an altitude limitation is that there's no oxygen up here and it's likely to start producing a lot of carbon monoxide.

 :thatsright: Ummmm ... does this moron realize that Denver is called the "Mile-High City" because it is? And that a mile is 5280 feet? Higher than the 4500 feet limit on those heaters? And the humans and animals who live in altitudes higher than 4500 feet are able to do so because ... there is oxygen there?! :thatsright:

 :thatsright: Hey Warpy-Moron! How can those heaters produce carbon monoxide if "there's no oxygen up here"?! :thatsright:
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Re: primitives squabble over altitude and heaters
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2015, 11:32:41 AM »
Quote from: SVPete on November 09, 2015, 08:23:03 AM
How can those heaters produce carbon monoxide if "there's no oxygen up here"?!

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Re: primitives squabble over altitude and heaters
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2015, 12:24:37 PM »
Quote from: Big Dog on November 07, 2015, 04:58:46 PM
Don't worry about that warning label, DUmmy. They don't really mean it.



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Re: primitives squabble over altitude and heaters
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2015, 11:04:23 AM »
Quote from: Ralph Wiggum on November 09, 2015, 12:24:37 PM
They are DUmmies. Something will always go wrong.
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Re: primitives squabble over altitude and heaters
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2015, 12:26:58 PM »
Quote from: Big Dog on November 09, 2015, 11:32:41 AM
It's Bush's fault.

Easy there. It could be the Koch Brothers or the Tea Party.
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Re: primitives squabble over altitude and heaters
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2015, 12:35:30 PM »
Quote from: Ralph Wiggum on November 09, 2015, 12:24:37 PM
They are DUmmies. Something will always go wrong.

Meaning, They'd survive!
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Re: primitives squabble over altitude and heaters
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2015, 12:40:33 PM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on November 10, 2015, 12:35:30 PM
Meaning, They'd survive!
But only with a hefty lode of taxpayer cash since I'm sure they could find some new made up ailment that a quack would sign onto.
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Re: primitives squabble over altitude and heaters
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2015, 10:12:23 PM »
Quote from: SVPete on November 09, 2015, 08:23:03 AM

 :thatsright: Hey Warpy-Moron! How can those heaters produce carbon monoxide if "there's no oxygen up here"?! :thatsright:

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