Iran Has Always Clandestinely Sought the Bomb

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geek tragedy (51,606 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141244930

Iran Has Always Clandestinely Sought the Bomb, Admits Ex-president


Source: Haaretz

Rafsanjani, who is head of Iran’s State Exigency Council, explained that Iran's goal was deterrence in light of its extended war with Iraq.


"Those years, we were all thinking that we should arm ourselves with deterrent elements since the war was not about to end and in our defensive policies we had the word of Imam in mind that the war may last 20 years,” said

According to the IRNA interview as reported by NCRI, Rafsanjani and Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei have personally followed up on the project to acquire a nuclear bomb. He also acknowledged the clandestine nature of the nuclear program, which has included building secret sites, enriching uranium, manufacturing centrifuge parts, employing laser technology and constructing a heavy water reactor.

“80% to 90% of the Iranian people… concur with the accord and want to be done with it ,” stated Rafsanjani. The National Council pointed out that this statement contradicts the Islamic regime's official position that the Iranian people have been fully behind the project.


Read more: http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/1.682812


The level of candor is more surprising than the subject matter of the admission.

I'm sure some will, ironically, try to spin this as proof that the Iran nuclear deal was a bad idea, when in reality it's exactly the opposite.

...  giving the bomb to Iran after they have been trying to get the bomb illegally for the last 30 years or so is a good idea? Is this some sort of 7th level chess reverse psychology from the boy wonder in the white house?

karynnj (51,757 posts)
1. Agree completely -- and this admission is also in keeping with the agreement to admit what their program was. Reading it, you can see how carefully they threaded that needle - they DID have a clandestine program, but the reason they developed it was as a deterrent. This statement allows them to come clean on weapons programs, while maintaining that they were not intending to bomb anyone.

It is interesting that they simultaneously reject the idea that their program was for offensive use while correcting long stated positions that they did not have a weapons program. I think these admissions were part of what was required of Iran in the agreement.

Of course, the common wisdom of every country that was negotiating with them was that they had a weapons program -- and as many of those foreign ministers, including Kerry, said the west KNEW they did because they found some of the facilities.

 

frizzled (300 posts)
4. Nukes deter war. They'd be insane NOT to get a bomb.

I'm pleased that this shows the Iranian leadership are rational actors.

 

Oneironaut (546 posts)
14. The problem is, Iran isn't fully rational.

If they felt they could get away with it, they would try to sneak a bomb into the U.S. and set it off through the use of terrorists. The challenge is making sure they don't do that. Remember that they are still a country run by fundamentalists.

The "Great Battle" as called in Islam, or "Armageddon" as called in the Bible, shall take place when the evil people of Gog and Magog return.  The people of Gog and Magog will consist of the bad Jews (Zionists today as we call them), and the Polytheists from the Trinitarian Christians who worship Jesus and the Holy Spirit beside Allah Almighty, and the idol worshipers from the Hindus and the Far Eastern Orientals:

"Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians) and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.  (The Noble Quran, 98:6)"

As to you know, almost all of the super powers of the world are fighting the "fanatic Islam", such as the ideology of Taliban and Salafis and Wahabis in Saudi Arabia.  It will not surprise me to see the Hajj or yearly pilgrimage to Mecca being sanctioned by force by the US and its allies, since the Hajj or Pilgrimage is performed in Saudi Arabia every year.

There is no explicit reference to the Mahdi in the Qu'ran, but references to him are found in hadith (the reports and traditions of Muhammad's teachings collected after his death). According to Islamic tradition, the Mahdi's tenure will coincide with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ (Isa), who is to assist the Mahdi against the Masih ad-Dajjal (literally, the "false Messiah" or Antichrist).[4] Differences exist in the concept of the Mahdi between Sunni Muslims and adherents of the Shia tradition. For Sunnis, the Mahdi is Muhammad's successor who is yet to come. For most Shia Muslims, the Mahdi was born but disappeared and will remain hidden from humanity until he reappears to bring justice to the world, a doctrine known as the Occultation. For Twelver Shia, this "hidden Imam" is Muhammad al-Mahdi, the Twelfth Imam

Shias believe that the arrival of the Mahdi will be signalled by the following portents:
**The vast majority of people who profess to be Muslim will be so only in name despite their practice of Islamic rites and it will be they who make war with the Mahdi.
**Before his coming will come the red death and the white death, killing two thirds of the world's population. The red death signifies violence and the white death is plague. One third of the world's population will die from the red death and the other third from the white death.
**Several figures will appear: the Al-Harth, Al-Mansur, Shuaib bin Saleh and the Sufyani.
**There will be a great conflict in the land of Syria, until it is destroyed.
**Death and fear will afflict the people of Baghdad and `Iraq. A fire will appear in the sky and a redness will cover them.

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I'm sure some will, ironically, try to spin this as proof that the Iran nuclear deal was a bad idea, when in reality it's exactly the opposite

 

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geek tragedy

Iran Has Always Clandestinely Sought the Bomb, Admits Ex-president

Rafsanjani, who is head of Iran’s State Exigency Council, explained that Iran's goal was deterrence in light of its extended war with Iraq.

"Those years, we were all thinking that we should arm ourselves with deterrent elements since the war was not about to end and in our defensive policies we had the word of Imam in mind that the war may last 20 years.”

The guy admits they were intentionally deceptive and the primitives are stupid enough to believe him when he says they only sought it as a deterrent and nothing more, all because it fits what they want to believe.

I knew the geek tragedy primitive was extra special stupid, but they always seem to find a way to dig a little deeper.

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[Carl]

If Iran flattened Tel Aviv next June these vermin would first celebrate and then blame Republicans.

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On a related note, it seems that some very large and expensive key equipment, known to have been located at Parchin, has disappeared from that location in advance of any IAEA visits.