Paper Ballots. Andy Stephenson made me repeat this...

[dutch508]

eridani (46,918 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10911365

'Perilously' Outdated Voting Machines Threaten 2016 Election, Report Finds

oh no....

 

The warning evokes the "hanging chads" scandal that swept George W. Bush into the presidency in 2000 despite the fact that he lost the nationwide popular vote. While the debacle prompted Congress to appropriate $2 billion towards electronic voting systems, that equipment is now quickly becoming outdated, the report warns.

PoliticAverse (13,297 posts)
1. "more affordable and flexible voting machines" - also "more hackable?"

Paper ballots can be faster and cheaper than machines except for the counting part and it can
be argued that the genuine paper trail is an advantage there.

but... you people did away with paper ballots after the 'theft' of 2000!

merrily (27,356 posts)
4. Why does this story make me feel as though a stolen election is already being planned? And, once again, my "thanks" a lot 2007 to 2011 Congress for not dealing with this issue* after Democrats complained the 2000 and 2004 Presidential elections had been stolen. In fact, thanks to every Congress for not at least trying to deal with this issue.


*No, Waxman holding hearings that established clearly that voting machines were easy to rig, then doing nothing, is not dealing with the issue.

 

elehhhhna (29,155 posts)
6. "voter verified paper ballot as the ballot of record"

We must demand this. Andy Stephenson made me repeat this until it was permanently engraved on my brain. Love you Andy. I know you're watching.

No... I don't think he is...

[Big Dog]

No, I don't think so, either.

[SVPete]

Some history for DU-lurkers education ...

The local election officials who designed the "infamous" butterfly ballot - the same ballot types and machines used for decades in Silicon Valley for decades - were Democrats. D and R officials reviewed and approved the ballots. The cause of the "hanging chads" was not worn out machines, but the failure - possibly for multiple election cycles - of the responsible (?) local election to have the trays for catching punched out chads emptied and cleaned.

So, since this kerfuffle is smoke and mirrors, what is behind the smokescreen? Are Ds. Libs, and Progs so scared @#$%less of losing in November, 2016 that they're already ginning up the next Stolen Election myth-narrative?

[Mr Mannn]

people who love fraud love paper ballots.

[BattleHymn]

Upon further investigation, the skeleton being raped in Big Dog's photo can be confirmed as none other than Andy Stephenson. 

Here is a close up of the impact caused by the man with no name who killed Andy:



Authorities have confirmed the impact was caused by a 1-3/8" S/K adjustable wrench.

[DLR Pyro]

That beep beep beep sound you hear is the cement truck backing up to pour the foundation for the lefts claim of a stolen election when they lose the White House in 2016

[67 Rover]

Upon further investigation, the skeleton being raped in Big Dog's photo can be confirmed as none other than Andy Stephenson. 

Here is a close up of the impact caused by the man with no name who killed Andy:



Authorities have confirmed the impact was caused by a 1-3/8" S/K adjustable wrench.

Holy crap! I did not notice it was a broad getting boned in that photo.

[BannedFromDU]

No, I don't think so, either.

     Sweet lord in heaven, that is the funniest thing I have seen in years. 

[I_B_Perky]

That beep beep beep sound you hear is the cement truck backing up to pour the foundation for the lefts claim of a stolen election when they lose the White House in 2016

Ding, ding, ding!!!! We have a wiiiinnnnnah!!!!! 

[Skul]

Holy crap! I did not notice it was a broad getting boned in that photo.

That was sooooo bad, I was forced, forced I say, to H5 you over it.   

[Patriot Guard Rider]

Some history for DU-lurkers education ...

The local election officials who designed the "infamous" butterfly ballot - the same ballot types and machines used for decades in Silicon Valley for decades - were Democrats. D and R officials reviewed and approved the ballots. The cause of the "hanging chads" was not worn out machines, but the failure - possibly for multiple election cycles - of the responsible (?) local election to have the trays for catching punched out chads emptied and cleaned.

So, since this kerfuffle is smoke and mirrors, what is behind the smokescreen? Are Ds. Libs, and Progs so scared @#$%less of losing in November, 2016 that they're already ginning up the next Stolen Election myth-narrative?

Isn't it funny how the only elections the progs consider stolen are those in which the democRAT loses? Everything else is above board.

Liberals disgust me.

[Delmar]

Response to eridani (Original post)Wed Sep 16, 2015, 05:22 AM
DetlefK (5,751 posts)
3. Compare this to the german system:

 For the size: The ballot is about 8 inch wide.

You get the ballot and an envelope.
You enter the booth.
You mark your votes with a coolie-head. (Germany has a Two-vote-system: One local vote for your representative of choice and one national vote for your party of choice.)
You fold the ballot and put it in the envelope.
You leave the booth and put the envelope in the urn.

Once the election-office has closed (7 PM), staff counts the votes by hand. Any citizen is free to stay and witness the count. (Need a recount? Somebody botched something? No problem, the heap of ballots is still there.)

The first results are typically in by 7:15 PM, the final results are in by 8 PM.

What the heck is a coolie-head?  I don't know, but it sure sounds racist.

A History Of Indentured Labor Gives 'Coolie' Its Sting

http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/11/25/247166284/a-history-of-indentured-labor-gives-coolie-its-sting

Maybe it is one of those black markers you use to mark ballots.  Primitive doesn't call it a black marker, instead insists on calling it a coolie-head.  And nobody calls the primitive out on it.

[SVPete]

I don't see anything superior in this "German system". It's been used in Silicon Valley for several 2-year election cycles. Prior to 2002 we had used the punch card ballots the DU member decries. Whether machine-read (optical sensor) by sensing light through a hole or by sensing a dark mark, either work equally well as long as the local officials responsible for cleaning the punched out chads actually have the machines cleaned out.

It's a phony issue being raised by the same people who demanded electronic voting in 2000 and 2001 and then denounced electronic voting in 2002 and ever since.

[BannedFromDU]

     Sweet lord in heaven, that is the funniest thing I have seen in years. 

     Keeps getting funnier, too. ^5 again.

[Duke Nukum]

The one thing I remember about the hanging chads is they could only be reproduced if a bunch of ballots where stuffed into the voting machine at the same time.

[67 Rover]

That was sooooo bad, I was forced, forced I say, to H5 you over it.   

 

Returning the favor H5!

[delilahmused]

I'd be fine with paper ballots, as long as we also have to show ID & dip our finger in purple ink. Voter ID is NOT discrimination. Anyone on any kind of public assistance or who buys beer or cigarettes has to show ID. I'd be willing to provide free ID's to those 5 people who don't have them and can't afford them.

Cindie

[JohnnyReb]

Holy crap! I did not notice it was a broad getting boned in that photo.

....and it's a DUmmie woman. You can tell because her mouth is open complaining that he ain't doing it right.

[BannedFromDU]

     Keeps getting funnier, too. ^5 again.

     It's a funny that keeps on giving. ^5 yet again.