Nads educates the DUmp on copyright law.

[Carl]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027115787

Thu Aug 27, 2015, 01:37 PM

nadinbrzezinski (140,774 posts)

On copyright...
if you folks are going to actually enforce a general copy rightrule (which I have never seen enforced so this kind of situational enforcement was cute), first you need to learn about copyright.

Everything you touch on the web is copyrighted. Hell, everything you post is, for 75 years or your lifetime, whichever is shorter. So you may as well use the copyright mark under every one of your posts to remind other posters of that little factoid. When we started RSD we actually sat on a few seminars on the subject by the way, Why? Well not only are we producing copyrighted material every time we post an article, but we knew we were going to be linking to somebody else's material like almost every day.

There are two major types of copyrights (and a slew of others, but this should be sufficient for general knowledge)... what I like to call the defended and enforced ones and the open source\ commons. And if you sell anything to a physical magazine these days, insist on selling not just first north american print rights, but also electronic and anything else that might rise in the future of the universe That comes from a not so famous case (it is famous among nerds) between Paizo publishing house and a bunch of freelancers. When they published in a CD Rom the whole of Dragon Magazine going back to 1979 the writers who sold them material in the 1980s sued them, for royalties. To make a long story short Paizo lost. Instead of paying royalties (They had to for the few CD Roms that were sold) they pulled the product. I actually have a copy somewhere, I was one of the lucky ones to buy it. I doubt my current computer could read it though.

And that line about the universe is one of the formulas used these days.

To the list in question:

It is quoted in full here

http://www.ellensplace.net/fascism.html

Here

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm (with expansions)

Here

http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

and here, and actually a better copy since it uses Britt's introduction

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4113.htm

And many times on Democratic Underground over the years, as well as multiple other sites... before and after the lawsuit.

Suffice it to say, that list has been quoted in full at a few sites for a few years, The home magazine, Free Enquiry, which is a paper magazine, would have zero claim to that material if they never bought electronic rights. I have no idea, but the fact that the list is up at several places and that the author himself posted not just the list, but the essay in full at Information Clearing House, tells me that this piece, at the least the 14 points, are now in the public domain. That is the way it is being treated anywhere else, but DU as usual gets weird when it targets people.

Public domain material can be used in full. Other examples of public domain (that are born that way) are the United States Budget, a National Weather Service product, my local city budget and any article posted on the web under a commons license.

If you should write the ALL AMERICAN NOVEL, I recommend you still register with the copyright office. If for whatever reason somebody takes it, you will be able to prove it that much much easily. It used to be it was required if you had to defend it in court, to have that important letter in your physical hand, but at this point, it is not...just highly recommended. Oh and if you post that novel on an open site, it is considered published. Closed critique groups seem to be fine but have yet to be tested.

Copyright Technical Fouls at DU

We see them them here very often, The best example of a technical foul is when people post a breaking news story with only one sentence... that one sentence is called in the business a place holder. But since that is all there is at that moment, it is a technical copyright foul. Imagine how LBN would look if those were not allowed. Now a MEDIA publication, points at myself and many others, will paraphrase what the AP (that is a trademark by the way, another area of related law) posted, and link to the place holder.

But as good as the AP, and I am using them becuase they are the most aggressive at defending their copyrighted material, like most news services will ignore news aggregators. Guess what this place is? A news aggregator... a pretty decent one actually, But it is shares that with the Drudge Report which is ONLY a news aggregator. So I doubt the AP will come after this place...

Fair use is about 1 percent of a piece. You know how many times I see people using 4 paragraphs, of 5 paragraph story? That is a technical foul, well within the guidelines of the internal policy. This also means that much longer quotes than 4 paragraphs, coming from a book are fine under United States Tittle XVII fair use guidelines.

Then I also see people using 7 and 8 paras from much longer pieces from places like Vanity, outside the policy, but perhaps well within fair use as well.

And with that, I expect a few people to alert... of course I do. I have a target on my back. A few more to get snarly. and the hosts to close it... it is what it is.

(Copyright Nadin Abbott 2015)

It is its own oppresed minority group. 

[BannedFromDU]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027115787

It is its own oppresed minority group. 

     Mess with the Weeble Wobble, you get...well, you get something, I suppose.

     Apropos nothing, I was looking at the latest Star Wars hype and I thought, "you know, Nadin could be in Star Wars as some sort of native creature on Tatooine, and not need a drop of makeup. Nor wardrobe."

     Agree/disagree?

[Carl]

Suddenly hell froze over.

Response to uppityperson (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 27, 2015, 01:47 PM

nadinbrzezinski (140,777 posts)
4. I will be honest

I don't care what skinner says... unless it is coming straight from his lawyer and it is supported with case law.

I know that internal policy has many, many, many holes after seating though those seminars, I am not an expert, but have enough knowledge to feel I was targeted, and with that I have to go look at policy documents and write a piece about a silly phenomena I am seeing with partisans. Suffice it to say, the last week on DU has been horrific personally. Starting last Saturday to be specific. So forgive me if I feel I have a very large target on my back.

Well nads,by all laws of physics a target on your back would have to be large.

[BattleHymn]

Suddenly hell froze over.

Well nads,by all laws of physics a target on your back would have to be large.

The old adage needs to be updated. 

"Your aim is so bad, you couldn't hit the broad side of a nads!"

[Big Dog]

If she hates Skins' Island and its 'bullies' so much, why doesn't she just leave?

[BlueStateSaint]

     Mess with the Weeble Wobble, you get...well, you get something, I suppose.

     Apropos nothing, I was looking at the latest Star Wars hype and I thought, "you know, Nadin could be in Star Wars as some sort of native creature on Tatooine, and not need a drop of makeup. Nor wardrobe."

     Agree/disagree?

Agree 100%.  H5 duly given.

[thundley4]

If you read the fine print on some websites that use consumer generated content, they claim copyright to any and all materials posted on their sites not previously owned by another person.

[BattleHymn]

If she hates Skins' Island and its 'bullies' so much, why doesn't she just leave?

Because she can't fit through the door anymore? 

[DumbAss Tanker]

As usual, she has a certain amount of correct information totally mixed up with a lot of wrong information and bad advice.

[Big Dog]

Because she can't fit through the door anymore? 

Surely someone over there will roll her back into the water!

[Skul]

Surely someone over there will roll her back into the water!

I wonder why the screeching harpies don't demand some womynatees be represented.

[Big Dog]

I wonder why the screeching harpies don't demand some womynatees be represented.

High five!

[GOBUCKS]

Well now they've really gone and done it.

Thu Aug 27, 2015, 01:37 PM
nadinbrzezinski (140,781 posts)

On copyright...


This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by MineralMan (a host of the General Discussion forum).

[98ZJUSMC]

The old adage needs to be updated. 

"Your aim is so bad, you couldn't hit the broad side of a nads!"

[Ptarmigan]

Nadin is now the copyright law expert.

While she is at it, she may as well be the rabbit, ptarmigan, ermine, and gyrfalcon expert. 

[Mr Mannn]

Nads is rapidly earning another vacation. That remark about skinner warrants a letter from Frank.
I am utterly blown away by the combination of arrogance and boorishness.

[SVPete]

I know that internal policy has many, many, many holes after seating though those seminars, I am not an expert, but have enough knowledge to feel I was targeted, and with that I have to go look at policy documents and write a piece about a silly phenomena I am seeing with partisans. Suffice it to say, the last week on DU has been horrific personally. Starting last Saturday to be specific. So forgive me if I feel I have a very large target on my back.

That "internal policy" are part of DU's TOS. Many sites have similar policies, and members agree to abide by the TOS as a condition of membership. The exact phrasing varies from site to site - 4 paragraphs, 150 words - but if too imprecise for the journalistic world (ignoring the fact that having a few thousand $$ worth of photographic and video equipment and a few seminars doesn't transmogrify nads' hobby into professional journalism), those phrasings are simple enough for ordinary people to understand and follow, and close enough to accurate to ward off lawsuits if there is effort to enforce the terms.

If any DU-member thinks for a second, nads' gnat-straining argument to justify utterly ignoring fair usage should seem as ludicrous as it is. And "... after seating though those seminars ..." is rated . Maybe nads should have invested in basic English vocabulary and grammar seminars instead of copyright seminars.

[Big Dog]

Nads is rapidly earning another vacation. That remark about skinner warrants a letter from Frank.
I am utterly blown away by the combination of arrogance and boorishness.

She shits on Skins' carpet much more, and she'll have her nose rubbed in it.