1StrongBlackMan (22,236 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027059717
I'm seeing a lot of "I/we're your Ally" posts ...
Which raises to me a question ... Who gets to determine whether someone is an ally, or not?
Oh, you silly goose! White Liberals do!
1StrongBlackMan (22,236 posts)
27. If you have to tell me you are my ally ...
you aren't my ally.
And stop holding out your misunderstood/reinterpreted picture of Dr. Martin Luther King out to me. I have told you before, I do not appreciate it.
RobertEarl (10,110 posts)
30. I am not YOUR ally
Obviously.
I am an ally of BLM and MLK, and the cause.
You have obviously rejected my help and so you have excluded yourself.
My advice: keep doing that and you will never succeed in any endeavor
Silly negro! Only the white man can help you succeed!
1StrongBlackMan (22,236 posts)
36. LOL ...
I am an ally of BLM and MLK, and the cause.
Of course you are.
You have obviously rejected my help and so you have excluded yourself.
Could that be because your "Help" isn't addressing what I/we need addressed ... and your continued attempts to tell me otherwise ... have not convinced me. Which means to me, and the other folks you feel/find it necessary to keep telling that you are our/their "allies in the 'cause'", that you still aren't hearing what I/we am/are saying.
1 strong angry black guy is off the reservation.... oops... that's racist! I meant plantation.
RobertEarl (10,110 posts)
40. Fine
Go ahead and exclude yourself. However, that is a very weak position to undertake.
You, as an individual, are not that important. And your attempts to paint me as something or the other, are like water off a duck's back.
I have always supported the oppressed's causes and do not allow individuals such as yourself to divide me from them.
Bernie is the best real hope for change the American People have ever had.
You colored types are not important to me! I support the oppressed!
Earl's post is alerted on. He passes.
1SBM responds... it's alerted on. He deletes it.
who runs DU? White Liberals. You whiney bitchy coloreds better shut the **** up!
Sheepshank (8,409 posts)
82. Jury results
On Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:28 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
I am not YOUR ally
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7059890
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
tone deaf much?
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:08 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is very personal and OTT.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm beginning to wonder who is tone deaf. As for hiding this -- no.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: seriously?
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The poster is completely tone deaf. I don't "hide" stupid, it is cumulative and speaks for itself and all those like minded Bernie supporters who also seem to fail to hear.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Kali (41,440 posts)
70. really? you lecture him about MLK?
Earl, white liberal in power, lectures black men on what MLK really meant... all the time.
1StrongBlackMan (22,236 posts)
72. Yes ... He does ...on the regular. And when I post the full text of the quote ... showing that Dr. King was NOT talking., primarily, about "bringing down the oligarchy"; but rather, establishing intra-class economic equality ... he disappears, only to re-appear citing Dr. King ... without the quotation.
NuclearDem (13,219 posts)
3. "Ally" sure doesn't mean "I can quote MLK at you and expect you to settle down."
PeaceNikki (24,647 posts)
6. Anyone who abandons the cause of racial injustice because a group dedicated to it shouted down their candidate was never an ally. In fact, never a decent human being, I'd argue.
I've encountered a similar moral code with people here on DU over abortion rights. See, they *were* my ally until I got kinda bitchy with them on the internet.
... wait.... what? BERNIETROLLS aren't black allies because they complained when a Black Nationalist Agitator broke up a BERNIETROLL masterbationary get together?
That would be like blaming a woman for filing a police report after being raped claiming she was never your 'real' friend...
Comrade Grumpy (12,276 posts)
19. Many of us have been on the side of racial justice for decades.
We're not going to stop just because of some self-righteous twits in BLM.
We'll continue to fight for justice, not because of BLM, but in spite of them.
1StrongBlackMan (22,236 posts)
58. Listen closer to what Black people are saying ...
Last edited Sun Aug 9, 2015, 03:40 PM - Edit history (1)
not what white liberals tell themselves, and each other, what Black are saying.
If I have to be the "correct" skin color to be an ally of BLM
It is not BLM or Black people talking about "skin color", even with the white supremacist talk.
Wait ... you do understand that we, both Black and white folks live within a white supremacist system ... and that taking down the oligarchs does not change that ... Right?
1StrongBlackMan (22,236 posts)
47. This here ...
Bush's tactics alienated his allies because he treated them like vassals rather than equals.
Is an interesting point, that brings to mind two questions:
1) Was the bush regime able, or even willing, to hear that his allies felt treated as vassals, rather than equals?
2) Are those insisting and calling themselves "allies", able, or even willing, to hear that those they are talking at, are feeling that they are being treated as vassals, rather than equals?
wait.... Bush's fault?
Evergreen Emerald (11,066 posts) <---- HILLBOT
15. It depends on the definition.
Defined: www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ally:
To join (yourself) with another person, group, etc., in order to get or give support.
Also: to unite or form a connection or relation between : associate <allied himself with a wealthy family by marriage.
Also: intransitive verb to form or enter into an alliance <two factions allying with each other>
One example the dictionary gave is: "She's allied herself with the moderates on this issue."
So, on one hand it seems that it must be mutual. "Join," "Unite" sounds as if there must be agreement to be an ally.
I can align my views to the views of the ACLU. My views are aligned. I support them. Does that make me an ally? Or must I literally "join" a group?
Bernie Sanders is an independent. But he has aligned himself with the democrats. Must the democrats accept him in order to make him an ally? Or are his vocalized beliefs and actions sufficient to show he is an ally?
I believe that I am an ally of BLM. I believe in the political statements and goals and values. But, I disagree with the behavior they showed on Bernie's stage. I am aligned with the views but not some of the actions.
1StrongBlackMan (22,236 posts)
49. Has BLM called Bernie (for an instant example) an ally? Or, is it Bernie ...and his supporters telling BLM they are allies?
And for that matter, are you may ally because you tell me we are allies ... because that seems awfully one sided.
Well,... HILLBOTs are sure telling everyone Bernie is a racist old ****... so there is that...
1StrongBlackMan (22,236 posts)
55. No ...
That's what I'm going to do. If you consider that worthy of considering me an "ally", then I'll do my best to be a good ally, but if my color is wrong to be your ally, then so be it.
It has NOTHING to do with your, or anyone else's, skin color ... it has, everything, to do with your willingness to fight along side of me, on the issues we share concern ... and recognizing (and respecting) that YOUR primary issue, might well NOT be my primary issue.
I think the whole Bernie/BLM ally and DU ally fight is based in a failure of the latter clause.
