New DU response to Islam atrocities: "All Abrahamic religions..."

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kiva (3,743 posts)

Dad lets daughter drown in Dubai so she's not 'dishonored' by male lifeguards' touch

The father of a 20-year-old woman let her drown in Dubai rather than let lifeguards rescue her. The father preferred she drown rather than be dishonored by getting touched by male rescuers, reports Emirates 24 News.

The dad had taken his wife and children "to the beach when suddenly, the 20-year-old girl started drowning and screaming for help," Burqibah said.

"Two rescue men were at the beach and they rushed to help the girl. However," said Burqibah, the man "considered that if these men touched his daughter, then this would dishonor her. It cost him the life of his daughter."

"The father was a strong and tall man. He started pulling and preventing the rescue men and got violent with them. He told them that he prefers his daughter being dead than being touched by a strange man."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/dad-lets-daughter-die-male-rescuers-don-dishonor-article-1.2319799

When this happens, the DUmmies are sure to tie it straight back to the atrocities committed every day by Baptists in Alabama. Except...er...Baptists aren't killing their daughters. So they have to dig way deep for the root of many major religions...Abraham. Of course.

nomorenomore08 (12,932 posts)
24. Certainly in all Abrahamic religions, at one time or another.

As I've said before, the extremist Muslims in places like Saudia Arabia (and UAE) are pretty much the closest adherents to "authentic" Old Testament practices (see Leviticus, Deuteronomy, etc.). You see similarities - even if inexact ones - among the most extreme fundie Christians and ultra-Orthodox Jews.

One reason why I derive no smug satisfaction from trashing Muslims as a group.

     That's pretty much the canonical DU response to any crime based on religion that can't be tied to Southern Baptists: "well (fart fart), at some point they all did it (fart fart)"

To which a DUmmy actually responds:

Syzygy321 (154 posts)
39. True. But women are dying TODAY.

And if you wriggle away from putting responsibility where it is due, you are part of the problem.

Fixing it starts with understanding it and moves on to naming the causes out loud. Yes. That is a necessary step.

Please don't stick your head in the sand. We're dying. We're getting murdered.

And nice people say, "Ah, well, let's not criticize any group in particular! Lets not place blame! You know, 3000 years ago Abraham himself blah blah blah, deflection, excuses, hand-waving..."

We are DYING. EVERY. ****ING. DAY.

And you can be philosophical and careful and tiptoey - because you are not.

That's smug. That's what smug is. Okay? Floating above and being philosophical because that's comfortable and keeps you from thinking hard thoughts.

And I don't wanna fight you, because I know you think that what you are saying is the "nice" thing to say.

But did you miss the part where WE. ARE. GETTING. MURDERED. BY. MEN. IN. OUR. FAMILIES.

And I think you know damn well why.

     We all do: Muslim good. Christian bad.

[Rebel]

get the red out (9,663 posts)
75. I am so sorry

Unfortunate a lot of people won't see this and feel the need to compare the murder of someone's own daughter over "honor" to crap in the U.S., which is bad, but totally different. This man killed his own daughter, when someone in this country goes off and kills his family, we don't try to minimize it because we MUST never see differences in religious extremes.

I will be slammed so this is all I will comment. I am saying my peace; this man's culture sucks more than Western culture. This is a problem the world needs to discuss instead of minimize or try to distract people from with comparisons that don't fit. I am not a good liberal, I don't follow the script since I care about the lives of women everywhere.

Enjoy your stay. 

[Rebel]

whatthehey (982 posts)
105. who are we to question his deeply held religious beliefs?

Wouldn't that just be imposing secular scientific materialist fundamentalist dogma on those blessed with other ways of knowing?

If the dripping red icon is needed, read any thread criticizing Christian lunacy and see how quickly similar arguments show up. This of course is primarily an Islamic lunacy these days, but they don't get the same pass. Instead that particular Abrahamic desert monotheism gets to hide its more insane manifestations behind kneejerk cries of "racism" (a Muslim race would be a surprise to anthropologists and demographers but hey) and "islamophobia" as if we were automatically criticizing the 5 daily prayers and the hajj along with the wholesale slaughter of innocents.)

You too. 

[ColonelCarrots]

In 1 Corinthians 7:1, Paul said,  "Now concerning the things whereof ye wroteunto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman."

Paul was referring to abstinence. The Corinthians were asking if abstinence was okay. We know this because verse 2 begins with "Nevertheless, to avoid fornication..." majority of the following verses are about sex, relationships, and marriage.

Paul was a Jew, a descendant of Abraham, life is precious to God Jehovah, but life is not precious to Mohammad.

I don't remember "Thou shalt not save a drowning woman." in the Ten Commandments.

[BannedFromDU]

In 1 Corinthians 7:1, Paul said,  "Now concerning the things whereof ye wroteunto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman."

Paul was referring to abstinence. The Corinthians were asking if abstinence was okay. We know this because verse 2 begins with "Nevertheless, to avoid fornication..." majority of the following verses are about sex, relationships, and marriage.

Paul was a Jew, a descendant of Abraham, life is precious to God Jehovah, but life is not precious to Mohammad.

I don't remember "Thou shalt not save a drowning woman." in the Ten Commandments.

     All I know is this: take 100 Christian women and put them in Iran, and 100 Muslim women and stick them in the US.

     After a year, ask each group who wants to leave. You know the rest.

[USA4ME]

In 1 Corinthians 7:1, Paul said,  "Now concerning the things whereof ye wroteunto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman."

Paul was referring to abstinence. The Corinthians were asking if abstinence was okay. We know this because verse 2 begins with "Nevertheless, to avoid fornication..." majority of the following verses are about sex, relationships, and marriage.

More specifically, the Corinthians were often persecuted, and if you were married the powerful could hurt your spouse in front of you in order to get you to do their bidding. So knowing that, it might be better to remain unmarried to avoid having that happen. But, if your love was such that you had to be together, better to marry and face the potential consequences of persecution rather than to commit fornication.

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[SVPete]

... the extremist Muslims in places like Saudia Arabia (and UAE) are pretty much the closest adherents to "authentic" Old Testament practices (see Leviticus, Deuteronomy, etc.).

Was this supposed to be a serious statement? Try asking a faithful Muslim to cease observing Friday, and start observing the Sabbath. To observe Passover, Day of Atonement, etc.. And much more.

[obumazombie]

     All I know is this: take 100 Christian women and put them in Iran, and 100 Muslim women and stick them in the US.

     After a year, ask each group who wants to leave. You know the rest.

After a year, how many of the Christian women will still have their heads attached to their necks ?
If it isn't that it will be stoning, or rape or some other assault they will have to endure.

[BannedFromDU]

After a year, how many of the Christian women will still have their heads attached to their necks ?
If it isn't that it will be stoning, or rape or some other assault they will have to endure.

     My original ending was something like, 'of the 100 Muslims and of the SURVIVING Christians...'

     

[delilahmused]

Moral equivalency doesn't make it right. But the DUmmies justification always seems to be "well so and so did it, too"! They may have done it several 1000 years ago, but doggone they did it. Well, certain things are exempt like African tribesmen who sold their enemies to the white slave dealers. It's totally on the white man, because narrative.

Cindie

[BannedFromDU]

Moral equivalency doesn't make it right. But the DUmmies justification always seems to be "well so and so did it, too"! They may have done it several 1000 years ago, but doggone they did it. Well, certain things are exempt like African tribesmen who sold their enemies to the white slave dealers. It's totally on the white man, because narrative.

Cindie

     It's worse than that, even. Let a white cop ventilate a violent thug who happens to be black, and liberals forget what happened 15 minutes ago.

[JohnnyReb]

Lets all convert to Islam and start killing DUmmies.....hey, they can't question our new religion and culture....it ain't liberally kosher.

[BannedFromDU]

Lets all convert to Islam and start killing DUmmies.....hey, they can't question our new religion and culture....it ain't liberally kosher.

     At the very worst they'll blame Bush. I'm ok with that.

[Ptarmigan]

Lets all convert to Islam and start killing DUmmies.....hey, they can't question our new religion and culture....it ain't liberally kosher.

Suharto