gollygee (18,110 posts)
Tim Wise on Black Lives Matter protest
(He posted the following on Facebook.)
O'Malley and Sanders both flubbed this moment so incredibly it was painful. It really shows the extent to which even so called progressive white folks are so often cut off from the narratives and struggles of people of color. To not know why saying "all lives matter" is a problematic add-on to "black lives matter," or to get defensive and talk about how you've been fighting for civil rights for 50 years, even as you rarely prioritize issues of racial justice in your work, indicates that you are not listening to the voices of color our there. You are not in touch with their movements, and that you expect them to love you just because you say a few things about the justice system from time to time or talk about economic inequality. But black folks owe white liberals and progressives and even pseudo-socialists nothing. To not be more in touch than these two are (or Hillary Clinton who did her own version of this recently) is a shame, and indicative of the problem with many (most) white liberals. Their liberalism is a decidedly "colorblind" one, which is to say, a form of liberalism that de-emphsasizes the issue of race and racism, even as race and racism remain key dividing lines in this and all elections, and throughout the culture.
I know what you're thinking...
"Who the **** is Tim Wise?"
Timothy Jacob "Tim" Wise (born October 4, 1968) is an American anti-racism activist and writer.[2] Since 1995, he has given speeches at over 600 college campuses across the U.S.[3] He has trained teachers, corporate employees, non-profit organizations and law enforcement officers in methods for addressing and dismantling White racism in their institutions.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_WiseIn other words: He's some doughy faced white retard with no marketable skills so he's funded by the tax payers to travel around the country talking about racism.
In other words, in other words: If there was no racism he'd be out of a job and his useless ass would starve.
gollygee (18,110 posts)
3. If we want to grow as a party and get more and more liberal candidates elected
we have to learn, understand, and respond to the concerns of people of color. Actively and emphatically. That is where our future is. We can't just pay lip service. That was the very clear message, and it's absolutely right.
It will also be very good for our country. Racism is a huge wound, and we need to fight it to heal. Republicans sure won't work to heal it because they like it, so it makes sense to me that they'd protest Democrats.
Unless those "people of color" (but never say "colored people") are Ben Carson, Walter Williams, Clarence Thomas, Mia Love, Nikki Haley, Bobby Jindal, Allen West, Thomas Sowell, Marco Rubio, J C Watts, Ted Cruz, etc.
Better to stick with the Trayvon Martins and Michael Brown of the world.
MohRokTah (8,757 posts)
2. The other thing these candidates had better get through their skulls is this.
The #blacklivesmatters movement is perfectly prepared to sit out 2016. It's much easier to sit it out than to run the gauntlet and jump through the hoops that are now required for people of color to vote.
That terrifies me.
It should terrify everybody.
If we don't give them welfare payments to sit out life they will sit out the election.
sufrommich (17,449 posts)
14. This should give us all nightmares. We need to shut up
and listen.
Gman (22,841 posts)
9. What I'm not getting here is
When "all lives matter" is added onto "Black lives matter" that's a problem. It seems to me that "all lives matter" is a plea for unity and a statement that we're all the same. I've had Black friends say "amen" when I say "all lives matter". Is the problem with with "all lives matter" just confined to white progressives? (When it's convenient?)
PeaceNikki (24,490 posts)
10. It's an attempt to stop a conversation about race.
You're a little confused on the definition of conversation, whore.
A conversation is two or more entities exchanging ideas and beliefs.
You and your fellow fascists in training want an absolute monopoly on all discussion, subject matter, assignments of guilt, meting of penalties, no opportunity for defense and abject obedience.
**** you.
You're neither moral enough nor do you have the balls to enforce it.
brush (4,261 posts)
28. "All Lives" are not being ended by police for a traffice stop . . .
like in Sandra Bland's case.
No way would a young white woman be snatched out of her car, have her head bashed into the ground, and end up dead in her jail cell 2 days later.
That's why it's "Black Lives Matter" because black lives are ending.
THAT needs to be prioritized by these pols who want out votes.
When it isn't we get a feeling of phoniness coming through from neglect of our issues because our votes are taken for granted.
Yes, they are.
You only focus on the black ones because #OnlyBlackLivesMatter
PeaceNikki (24,490 posts)
16. The problem, as *I* stated above is that it's an attempt to dismiss racial issues.
It is time we, as a nation, have a real conversation. We need to discuss institutionalized racism. The #AllLivesMatter campaign isn’t about having that discussion. It’s about not having that discussion.
The #AllLivesMatter campaign is narcissistic and blind. It’s about inserting one’s own agenda. Case in point, this Blaze columnist who made it about abortion. Yes, really.
This particular fight is about one thing and one thing only. It’s about the fact that unarmed black men are being killed by the people who are supposed to protect them. It’s about the fact that to society, black people are far more disposable. Young black people are treated as convicts-in-waiting. These facts are a societal sickness and to treat that sickness would be to help save white lives as well.
Maybe white people would be a bit more understanding if the campaign was #BlackLivesMatterAsMuchAsWhiteLives, but that’s hardly pithy. Really, though, that’s all black people are saying. Their lives are as important as white lives and if you want to shut down that discussion, we will never grow as a country and people of all races will continue to die unnecessarily.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/13/alllivesmatter-means-no-lives-matter-so-stop-it-already/
I know what you're thinking...
"Who the **** is Arthur Chu?"
Synopsis: 4th highest earning Jeopardy! champion with this interesting tidbit...
After his appearance on Jeopardy!, Chu contacted publicists and PR firms to ask for suggestions on how to monetize the recognition from his Jeopardy! run. However, he found the proposals unappealing, and did not follow suggestions that he use the "successful" "game theorist" image.[26][27] Instead, he started writing a column for The Daily Beast,[8] and later for Salon.[28] Chu has written on various aspects of nerd culture and on being Asian American. He is a vocal critic of racism and online bullying, and is known for his opposition to the Gamergate movement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_ChuIn other words: He too has no marketable skills and makes his living by panhandling among the SJWs.
In other words, in other words: If there was no racism he'd be out of a job and his useless ass would starve.
And now he resorts to being part of the Twitter-mob to -- hypocritically -- condemn what he calls on-line bullying.
Gman (22,841 posts)
17. Frankly when and if
One of my Black friends calls me aside, and we all know each other well enough to do that, and tells me it's wrong, I would stop using the phrase. But I don't think I'll let some group (mostly Sanders people) on DU that spends way too much time on the Internet tell me it's wrong when in the real world there's no problem. What you are describing is a cultural thing on the Internet. And the culture is one of a small microcosm where pretty much people have their own customs and mores and everyone else is wrong and they are right. I'll stick with the real world.
And I've spent entirely too much time on the Internet with this.
Remember when PieceNikki wanted to have a conversation?
PeaceNikki (24,490 posts)
20. OK, thank you and goodbye.
It's clear I wasted my words in trying to explain it to you because you don't care what someone "on the internet" thinks and, as such, we're both done here.
Good day
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