DUmpmonkie pissed that two terrorists were killed.

[dutch508]

AND--- I did hear about this on FOX News, so I am not sure what shitty channel youa re watching kpete.

kpete (46,001 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026558343

Four NOT Two Americans Were Killed In Drone Strikes
Four not Two

by digby

Why am I seeing headlines all day about the US admitting to killing two Americans in drones strikes back in January? It was four Americans:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/23/politics/white-house-hostages-killed/index.html


President Barack Obama announced Thursday that a U.S. counterterrorism operation targeting an al Qaeda compound in January accidentally killed two innocent hostages, including one American.

Multiple U.S. officials told CNN the hostages, Warren Weinstein, an American, and Italian national Giovanni Lo Porto, were killed by a U.S. military drone that targeted the al Qaeda compound.

"As president and as commander in chief, I take full responsibility for all our counterterrorism operations including the one that inadvertently took the lives of Warren and Giovanni," Obama said Thursday morning in the White House briefing room, where he apologized on behalf of the U.S. government.

The White House also disclosed Thursday that two Americans, both al Qaeda operatives, were also killed in U.S. counterterrorism operations in the same region.

Al Qaeda leader Ahmed Farouq, who was an American citizen and deputy emir of al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent, was also killed in the operation that killed the two innocent hostages.

Adam Gadahn, another American in the senior ranks of al Qaeda, was also killed by U.S. forces in the region, "likely in a separate" counterterrorism operation, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said in a statement Thursday.


It's terrible that the two hostages were killed, obviously. But it's probably important to note that they were killed in the process of purposefully targeting and killing another American. Something which we did to yet another American in a separate strike.

I guess this is all just normal stuff now. If your government wants to kill you when you're abroad they can do it and nobody will raise a stink. If they accidentally kill you then there's a problem. Good to know.


More:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/04/four-dead-americans-not-two.html
http://boingboing.net/2015/04/23/petraeus-receives-no-jail-time.html
 

Those other Americans were fighting against his country so **** them. ALthough I did hear the White House spokesdick say that the two other 'Americans' were not the target of the strike.

They don't call him "Barry Both Ways" because he like dick, too.

arcane1 (28,876 posts)
1. What's up with the "American in the senior ranks of al Qaeda"? I wish I knew what was really going on out there.

Those guys have been in the news for the last ten years.

delrem (6,146 posts)
8. optics.

How many US americans have a clue how many countries that the US is bombing?
How many have a clue how many innocent Iraqi citizens the US killed, *for nothing*.
How many have a clue what the fallout has been after the US's coup in Libya?
How many know what a "moderate rebel" is, in the US war against Syria? How many even know that the US has declared "regime change" the objective in a war against Syria?
How many know how "al-qaeda/IS" is benefiting by the US backed killing spree in Yemen, and how many know how long that's been going on? How many know where IS gets its weapons, its funding, its ideology?

Answer on all points, and any number of points that can be easily added to the list: negligible, close enough to none. This couldn't happen if there was any awareness at all.

What do US americans know about this never-ending mass slaughter? They know that the US is in a "War on Terror" and the targets are "terrorists", given various changing names but always coming back to "al qaeda" because that brings the optics back to "9/11" and so a tangible pretext that it's about self-defence. Absurd as that pretext is - it's only absurd if a person thinks about it and how many do that?

 

 

JDPriestly (48,516 posts)
17. Right to a trial is guaranteed in the Constitution.

You can make arguments that are sheer sophistry as to why that guarantee does not hinder the president in emergency, but these guys should unless impossible have been arrested, brought back to the US and tried for treason.

Doesn't work that way of course. But that would be the right way to handle the situation.

 

msanthrope (30,499 posts)
30. The AUMF of 9/18/2001, pursuant to the War Powers Act, does not suspend habeas....the

gravamen here is that a custodial AQ combatant would have rights, but a non-custodial AQ member does not.

woo me with science (31,512 posts)
4. K&R The president of the United States has a "KILL LIST."

Think about that.

This is what corporate rule does to democratic, representative government.

It subverts it, in our name, into the moral and ethical sewer of a corrupt, authoritarian regime. Our government, perverted into a monstrosity of secret laws and secret courts and mass surveillance, in which the president of the United States of America has "KILL LISTS."

Good god. And shame on EVERY shill and apologist who takes a little paycheck to type apologism and attempts to normalize THIS, and the "double tapping" of first responders, and the targeting of children by drones, and the persecution of whistleblowers, and mass surveillance, and every other outrage we've seen coming out of what is left of our fake, corrupt, corporate-purchased democracy.

EX500rider (2,269 posts)
6. If your government wants to kill you when you're abroad they can do it and nobody will raise a stink

I think you mean when you join the other side in a active war zone.

Adam Gadahn: Al-Qaeda's propagandist
He was known to the US for some years. In 2006, Gadahn became the first US citizen to be charged with treason since World War II. The indictment said he had "knowingly adhered to an enemy of the United States... with intent to betray the United States". A $1m bounty was placed on his head.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32441864

PowerToThePeople (5,387 posts)
10. and because you believe the way you do

An American citizen should be denied his Constitutional right of due process.

I see no difference between the above event and the unarmed African American man gunned down in the back by a cop a few weeks ago. Both were murdered by our government public servants without due process.

bananas (24,920 posts)
19. And they covered it up for three months. nt

Hulk (3,748 posts)
21. I go to Germany and join Hitler's Nazi SS??

Does that mean I need to be captured, returned and stand trial because I'm a US citizen?

I don't get the outrage here. So I suppose now that ISIS is getting volunteers from all around the world to come join in on the slaughter, we need to separate the "American citizens" from the others so they can come back and stand trial?

Isn't this getting just a wee bit ridiculous?

hfojvt (35,675 posts)
28. because terrorists have rights

and America is evil.

Yeah, my vote is for ridiculous too. I expected better from Digby.

Orsino (29,856 posts)
33. I hope that drone is properly ashamed of itself for hoodwinking our president.

Goddammit. They are still selling us the "surgical strike" bullshit when we know the application of military force nearly always kills civilians.

I have to wonder how many non-American innocents were injured or killed in this attack, and how many others our government isn't yet admitting to in the attacks they are still keeping secret?

Yes... they are a bunch of idiots over there.

[SVPete]

Ucky-duck ...

Two hostages were killed: 1 American; 1 Italian.

Two scum-traitor terrorists-without-country were killed.

But DU-folk need to remember something: President Drone-Boy is YOUR boy! Own it, DU-folk!

[GOBUCKS]

I don't understand sympathy or concern for civilian hostages who voluntarily went into an area riddled with terrorists.

They exposed themselves to capture voluntarily, expecting that if they became hostages brave men's lives would be put at risk to rescue them.

It's easier to justify rescuing the traitor Bergdahl than these idiot civilians, and if they become collateral damage in the war, so be it. They were not worth much to begin with.

[98ZJUSMC]

arcane1 (28,876 posts)
1. What's up with the "American in the senior ranks of al Qaeda"? I wish I knew what was really going on out there.

Prior to 2009, you infants professed knowledge bordering on superhuman prescience.

Huh....  funny, that.

[SVPete]

arcane1 (28,876 posts)
1. What's up with the "American in the senior ranks of al Qaeda"?

Must've come out of a 13-year self-inflicted drug-induced coma!