Your employer didn't pay sh** for your benefits

[Ralph Wiggum]

Yet another moronic DUmmy who has no clue about how businesses are run. 

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tmfun(1000+ posts)
Wed Jul-16-08 12:12 AM
Original message
Your employer didn't pay shit for your benefits
   
I just got my benefit statement from the United States department of Social Security. In the taxpayer paid for missive was a number of paragraphs telling me that "My employer" had made substantial contributions, etc. etc. blah, blah, blah. They try to sell the same chamber of commerce, pseudo capitalist bullshit about unemployment insurance and I can't believe how the masses drink the cool-aid.

Lets get this straight. Your employer DOES NOT PAY FOR SHIT! YOU, the worker, provide a service to your employer that your employer finds valuable enough
that he can sell it at a profit. Your employer sells your labor at a high enough profit that all of your benefits, along with your employer's overhead, which often includes season tickets to the game, lunches, dinners and assorted "business related" junkets, his cell phone bill, his gas card, etc., along with a profit, are included.

The capitalist, government entities would have you believe that your employer, out of the goodness of his black, capitalist heart, grants you extra money to help you pay for S.S.I., S.DI., unemployment insurance and all of the rest of the things they take out of your check every week. This is bullshit.

It is all your money. You earned it. It was not gifted to you by your employer! Think I'm wrong? Ask yourself this. When has your employer EVER, magnanimously, continued to pay into these funds AFTER you have been laid off, fired or quit your job? Bottom line. If you don't earn the money for your employer, your employer won't give you squat!

It's not his money, it's yours. You are the one who gave up days of your life to earn it.

And the next time, at the unemployment office, when some minimum wage cube rat tries to tell you how gracious your employer was to have paid into this fund for you, don't let them make you feel guilty and grateful. Let them know that you know that it was YOU, not your employer, who paid for these benefits!.

[rich_t]

Think he'll realize that if they got rid of the SS 6.5% mandatory confiscation for Socialist Security his employers DON'T pay him, he might make more $$??

Nah....   Most DUmmies don't appear to be that smart.

[Zeus]

They Walk among us   

[Ralph Wiggum]

Think he'll realize that if they got rid of the SS 6.5% mandatory confiscation for Socialist Security his employers DON'T pay him, he might make more $$??

This DUmmy is wrong on so many levels, but I didn't bother pointing every incorrect thing out.  Still watching the All-Star game.  Plus I figured someone will take the time to counter this B.S. line by line.

[JohnnyReb]

Kindda off topic ....but not.

I saw the way health insurance was going,,,oh, 'bout 20 years ago. It was costing me a bundle so I dropped it as a benefit and gave everyone a raise equal to or above what their insurance was costing me........guess how many continued the health insursance. ......this DUmmie would do the same or worse.

[Carl]

Just to answer some of this idiocy....

DUmmy,the only way any employer can continue to be an employer is to make enough profit in the business to continue.
That includes paying for those things involving employees MANDATED by government which includes all those things mentioned SS,and unemployment.
Add to that workers comp as well as the time and additional employees needed to make the required income tax deductions and payments to the federal and state governments.

The money you are being paid is yours when you receive it,your employers before that and individual consumers prior to tha,it is not a lump sum sitting somewhere with your name on it fool and part is being siphoned off.

That there is no comprehension of the basics of this shows why DUmmies have so much trouble holding a job in the first place.

They are simply idiots and that isn`t said to be an insult but a proven fact by the drivel like this op that is posted dailey.

[DixieBelle]

Teh Stoopid. Too thick to penetrate.

[Chris_]

Rush does a little rant on this every so often.
Wait until these dopes realize everytime they buy anything, not only are they paying sales taxes, but, they are paying corporate taxes, corporate wages, etc...

[ScubaGuy]

BigDaddy44  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Wed Jul-16-08 12:01 PM
Response to Original message
32. Well here's the question I have
   
If you, the worker, provide the service to your employer that your employer finds valuable enough that he can sell at a profit.... And "its your money, you earned it. It was not gifted by your employer...."

Then why even work for that employer? Why not cut out the middle man and work for yourself? Why let someone else take advantage of the fruits of your labor?

Ouch.

I wonder if BigDaddy will get any responses?

[PatriotGame]

tmfun(1000+ posts)
Wed Jul-16-08 12:12 AM
Original message
Your employer didn't pay shit for your benefits
   
I just got my benefit statement from the United States department of Social Security. In the taxpayer paid for missive was a number of paragraphs telling me that "My employer" had made substantial contributions, etc. etc. blah, blah, blah. They try to sell the same chamber of commerce, pseudo capitalist bullshit about unemployment insurance and I can't believe how the masses drink the cool-aid.

Hey shit for brains, when was the last time a poor man or DUmmy gave you a job?
Your employer is an employer for a reason. If he didn't hire you, he would hire someone else.
See if you can figure that out, DUmmy.

[Ralph Wiggum]

tmfun(1000+ posts)
Wed Jul-16-08 12:12 AM
Original message
Your employer didn't pay shit for your benefits
   
I just got my benefit statement from the United States department of Social Security. In the taxpayer paid for missive was a number of paragraphs telling me that "My employer" had made substantial contributions, etc. etc. blah, blah, blah. They try to sell the same chamber of commerce, pseudo capitalist bullshit about unemployment insurance and I can't believe how the masses drink the cool-aid.

Hey shit for brains, when was the last time a poor man or DUmmy gave you a job?
Your employer is an employer for a reason. If he didn't hire you, he would hire someone else.
See if you can figure that out, DUmmy.

Don't make them damage their few remaining brain cells to figure that out, PG.

[Wineslob]

Teh Stoopid. Too thick to penetrate.

Why do I find this disturbing but............errr...nevermind. 

On to teh stoopid.......

Lets get this straight. Your employer DOES NOT PAY FOR SHIT! YOU, the worker, provide a service to your employer that your employer finds valuable enough
that he can sell it at a profit. Your employer sells your labor at a high enough profit that all of your benefits, along with your employer's overhead, which often includes season tickets to the game, lunches, dinners and assorted "business related" junkets, his cell phone bill, his gas card, etc., along with a profit, are included

Hummm, DUmbass....the employer gave you a JOB. Everything in just this paragraph soo wrong, you HAVE to be too stoopid to live.

[dandi]

BigDaddy44  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Wed Jul-16-08 12:01 PM
Response to Original message
32. Well here's the question I have
   
If you, the worker, provide the service to your employer that your employer finds valuable enough that he can sell at a profit.... And "its your money, you earned it. It was not gifted by your employer...."

Then why even work for that employer? Why not cut out the middle man and work for yourself? Why let someone else take advantage of the fruits of your labor?

Ouch.

I wonder if BigDaddy will get any responses?

Indenturedebtor  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jul-16-08 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #32
36. So where am I supposed to get the money and time to start a factory
 You need seed money for that. Where do I get seed money? Do i live in a hole in the ground for 20 years while I save up my wage?

Aye, there's the rub. Some of those black-hearted, evil employers have done exactly that, or some variation thereof. They saved, invested wisely, sacrificed, worked their ass off for long hours and took risks with what they had, all to build something which resulted in their being able to provide a job for you. You did none of that. You just walked in and filled out an application, maybe got some education or training beforehand that made you more marketable.

So after all that time, effort, risk and expense the company owner is just supposed to fall down thanking you for gracing his or her company with your presence and share equally any profit he makes with you? You arrogant little DU bastards wouldn't work for me for ten minutes with your entitlement attitudes.   

[MrsSmith]

Just to answer some of this idiocy....

DUmmy,the only way any employer can continue to be an employer is to make enough profit in the business to continue.
That includes paying for those things involving employees MANDATED by government which includes all those things mentioned SS,and unemployment.
Add to that workers comp as well as the time and additional employees needed to make the required income tax deductions and payments to the federal and state governments.

The money you are being paid is yours when you receive it,your employers before that and individual consumers prior to tha,it is not a lump sum sitting somewhere with your name on it fool and part is being siphoned off.

That there is no comprehension of the basics of this shows why DUmmies have so much trouble holding a job in the first place.

They are simply idiots and that isn`t said to be an insult but a proven fact by the drivel like this op that is posted dailey.

Not to mention the minor fact that liberals are constantly patting themselves on the back for all the "good works" they've done by mandating this stuff.   

[terry]

Indenturedebtor  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jul-16-08 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #32
36. So where am I supposed to get the money and time to start a factory
 You need seed money for that. Where do I get seed money? Do i live in a hole in the ground for 20 years while I save up my wage?

Aye, there's the rub. Some of those black-hearted, evil employers have done exactly that, or some variation thereof. They saved, invested wisely, sacrificed, worked their ass off for long hours and took risks with what they had, all to build something which resulted in their being able to provide a job for you. You did none of that. You just walked in and filled out an application, maybe got some education or training beforehand that made you more marketable.

So after all that time, effort, risk and expense the company owner is just supposed to fall down thanking you for gracing his or her company with your presence and share equally any profit he makes with you? You arrogant little DU bastards wouldn't work for me for ten minutes with your entitlement attitudes.   

and if the business goes bad for any reason, (like some stupid employee screwing up) the employer cannot get any of that investment back or even collect unemployment.

[Carl]

Indenturedebtor  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jul-16-08 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #32
36. So where am I supposed to get the money and time to start a factory
 You need seed money for that. Where do I get seed money? Do i live in a hole in the ground for 20 years while I save up my wage?

Aye, there's the rub. Some of those black-hearted, evil employers have done exactly that, or some variation thereof. They saved, invested wisely, sacrificed, worked their ass off for long hours and took risks with what they had, all to build something which resulted in their being able to provide a job for you. You did none of that. You just walked in and filled out an application, maybe got some education or training beforehand that made you more marketable.

So after all that time, effort, risk and expense the company owner is just supposed to fall down thanking you for gracing his or her company with your presence and share equally any profit he makes with you? You arrogant little DU bastards wouldn't work for me for ten minutes with your entitlement attitudes.   

and if the business goes bad for any reason, (like some stupid employee screwing up) the employer cannot get any of that investment back or even collect unemployment.

Plus foot the entire 14% of the social security tax along with a host of other business taxes the DUmmies have never heard of.

[ReardenSteel]

tmfun(1000+ posts)

Yadda, yadda, yadda...

Bottom line. If you don't earn the money for your employer, your employer won't give you squat!

 

THE HORROR!!

...

The horror!

...

The horror.

[Rebel]

tmfun(1000+ posts)

Yadda, yadda, yadda...

Bottom line. If you don't earn the money for your employer, your employer won't give you squat!

 

THE HORROR!!

...

The horror!

...

The horror.

O.....M......G........these are the idiots we're combating? Well tmfun, thank you very much, Captain f'n Obvious. How in the hell do you think your employer gets money to PAY your sorry ass? 

These guys, oh man, these guys get to vote? How the **** did that happen?

[ReardenSteel]

tmfun(1000+ posts)

Yadda, yadda, yadda...

Bottom line. If you don't earn the money for your employer, your employer won't give you squat!

 

THE HORROR!!

...

The horror!

...

The horror.

O.....M......G........these are the idiots we're combating? Well tmfun, thank you very much, Captain f'n Obvious. How in the hell do you think your employer gets money to PAY your sorry ass? 

These guys, oh man, these guys get to vote? How the **** did that happen?

I was looking for info to make a joke about that comment (good humor requires some degree of truth IMO) and I found this scary article instead. Looks like most DUers can claim some disenfranchisement.

Law & Psychiatry: "I Vote. I Count": Mental Disability and the Right to Vote
http://psychservices.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/51/7/849

Persons with mental disabilities, though, have strong interests in overcoming these obstacles. Deprivation of the right to vote sends a message to mentally ill and retarded citizens that they are not like other people and are not wanted as part of the broader polity (5). Conversely, encouraging patients to vote can be a "therapeutic and normalizing experience" (8). More concrete benefits may ensue as well. The sustained neglect of the needs of persons with mental disabilities— reflected in a paucity of institutional and community-based services and in discriminatory health insurance benefits— is the result, in part, of their lack of political clout. With patients and their families registered and voting, their needs are likely to be taken more seriously in the political process.