Would probably prefer probing.
sundevil2000 (81 posts)
Can somebody explain to me.... and I have a degree in Justice Studies...what is probation about?
To me.... It's all about the $...
notadmblnd (19,551 posts)
1. yep, that's what it's about, just another racket.
Not to be confused with global
cooling swarming climate change, "social justice," gender studies, white privilege, gay marriage, environmentalism, immigration "reform," living wage movements, etc etc etc.
Cal Carpenter (2,978 posts)
2. Not just the money. Also the second-class citizen status.
Highly recommend the New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander.
http://newjimcrow.com/
Blacks suffered under Jim Crow for no reason other than happenstance of birth.
Criminals on probation chose their status.
blueridge3210 (985 posts)
3. State run or privatized?
Privatized, unfortunately, is all too often about the money as opposed to diverting offenders from the
sundevil2000 (81 posts)
6. county
nt
A clue! A clue!
Evergreen Emerald (10,470 posts)
4. It is a way to monitor people after conviction...
...to confirm compliance with the law. It is a tool other than longer jail / prison terms. It has been extremely useful. As will all things in the whole wide world, nothing is perfect. But, certainly the cost to the state/city/county of probation/community custody is significant. There has been in recent years, in fact every time there are budget cuts, less and less types of crimes that require probation due to the cost. I would find it hard to believe that the state makes any money off of probation.
sundevil2000 (81 posts)
5. Monitor? How?
Once a month meetings? To hear about the PO's wife and child ? And back surgery? And new snow plow? And exercise routine?
DemocratSinceBirth (49,161 posts)
7. Probation is extremely helpful...
Probation is extremely helpful in cases of deferred prosecution where the prosecutor sits on the charges for a specified period of time, usually a year, and then doesn't file them if the person has stayed out of trouble. The person can then say he has never been arrested . except for jobs that don't require a security clearance. That's huge in a person's life.
sundevil2000 (81 posts)
12. Not in my case...
HappyMe (19,606 posts)
14. Would you rather be back in jail?
sundevil2000 (81 posts)
17. You dont even know what my offense was....
Stick to the question at hand...
What good does going in once a month to listen to PO's life stories do for me?
HappyMe (19,606 posts)
19. Well, then complain.
Tell them you want somebody to follow you around 24-7.
What the hell is it you want?
sundevil2000 (81 posts)
25. what do I want?
To not pay $ to this county....
HappyMe (19,606 posts)
26. Too bad.
Pay it, or go back to jail.
sundevil2000 (81 posts)
28. wow
Just wow
HappyMe (19,606 posts)
31. Wow what?
Am I supposed to feel sorry for you?
Do you think probation should be changed because you don't like it? What I said are pretty much your options. Don't want probation? Don't want jail? Don't violate the law. Easy peasy.
Evergreen Emerald (10,470 posts)
60. Yeah...
You have some soul-searching to do. Perhaps you should be taking advantage of the opportunity and make needed life changes rather than rage about the system. If you are more interested in complaining than in retrospection, then you will be more likely to be one of the re-offenders.
That's what we've been saying for decades but what do we know, we're not career criminals.
Star Member Tsiyu (17,527 posts)
69. For most cases, it's about the $$$$
It's another way to further disenfranchise people.
In TN, you have to pay $40 for a 5 minute visit with your probie, you can't leave the county without permission ( there are no jobs to be had in the county ) and there are all sorts of other ridiculous restrictions that make it nearly impossible for a person to become gainfully employed.
There are many on DU, as you have seen, who will do NOTHING to reduce the obscene numbers of people we have cycling through our very flawed, draconian justice system.
You see here that most Democrats are into the whole sick authoritarian approach, and I can say unequivocally that young people are disgusted with Democrats for that blind allegiance to injustice.
Most here are nice-looking older conservative types who don't get targeted by cops, so they haven't a frickin' clue.
They like having our future sitting in jail. It makes them swoon.
The millennials are disgusted with our party, and this thread shows one key reason why.
Good luck, and hope you get out of there soon.
Hey, knucklehead, if you have a pot leaf for an avatar you lose the right to bitch about profiling
Tsiyu (17,527 posts)
88. It's applied arbitrarily
and the funny thing is, you're only on supervised probation here if you don't pay your court costs and fines. Once those fines are paid, you go "on paper" where you send in a report once a month.
So tell me it's not about money! They supervise you to make sure they know where to find you to collect!
Once you're all paid up, you're not monitored as closely.
It's such a ripoff of the already-poor, but you'll never get the authoritarian Dems here to admit it. "Jail" is a taint, even though "jail" catches a lot of very good, decent, hardworking people.
This is why I say I hope the millennials will end up starting a new party that overturns the justice system we have, the one that further impoverishes the impoverished while letting the true criminals run wild.
Democrats are too in love with the sick system we have, as evidenced by the posts on this thread.
How can it be about the money if the people who can't pay get off just filling out paper?
You idiots run around yelling, "Those who can pay, should; and those who can't shouldn't."
Well...here you go, assholes!
Criminals have victimized people and yet all they have to do is CLAIM poverty and they get off with just a few forms to fill out while their victims are left to piece their own lives back together with no help from anyone.
SOCIAL JUSTICE!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026291616
