WilliamPitt (57,537 posts)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025988076
Regarding the two NY cops, let me get this entirely straight...
Some asshole shoots up a school and kills a pile of kids...and I lament the event and bring up the excessive preponderance of guns in our society...and I get accused of politicizing a tragedy.
Some asshole shoots two cops, and the former fa-chrissakes Governor of New York says "Sickened by these barbaric acts, which sadly are a predictable outcome of divisive anti-cop rhetoric of Eric Holder and Mayor de Blasio" because people are peacefully protesting excessive police violence...and that's NOT politicizing a tragedy?
Jesus.
I have said it a thousand times, and will likely have to say it a thousand times again until the lesson takes hold for all to hear:
The single greatest political strength of these right-wing ****wits is their utter and complete lack of shame. They will say anything - literally anything - if they think it will move the ball a few yards down the field in their favor.
Comprehensively nauseating.
It's all about ME ME MEMEMEMEMEMEMMEMEMEMEMEMEMME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
****ing idiot.
n2doc (35,243 posts)
4. Funny how that works
A guy can shoot up a conciliate and a bunch of government building, het his act isn't "fueled by hate" even though he is clearly influenced by RW hate radio and TV.
A guy can fly his plane into an IRS building yet no one calls out the RW anti-IRS nut jobs on the radio and tv.
Funny how that works.
of course he was a leftist...
Tsiyu (17,071 posts)
6. It's disgusting and infuriating.
Rightie Tighties are the biggest liars and violence-mongers going.
They couldn't care less about the cops gunned down in Las Vegas by the sovereign/Teabagger nutjobs, but THIS death is different. This was a PROTESTING POLITICAL lunatic, apparently.
This is all just smoke and mirrors anyway from the Gov to the NYPD. As long as they can wail and play the victims, people won't call them to account for their violence and corruption.
I've seen the same attitude from child abusers: deflect the blame anywhere but on them.
KeepItReal (6,091 posts)
8. He shot 4 people that day. Was a convicted felon. Still could get a weapon.
Nobody is talking about his other victim nor the fact that he was still able to get his hands on weapons and ammo in the first damned place.
Ugh.
ps: Every word Mr. Pitt wrote is true.
You think he bought a gun legally?
marble falls (5,672 posts)
11. Will, its the curse of saying things first. You're the messenger with an undeniable truth nobody....in the RW(or a lot of the center) wants to face.
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WilliamPitt (57,537 posts)
16. You don't see my emails. Whenever I write about Newtown or gun control or excessive gun violence, the deluge commences.
Evergreen Emerald (10,441 posts)
18. DU has spent months
dehumanizing ALL law enforcement. Grouping all law enforcement into the same category "evil" may result in killing. It is ironic that this post is advocating for focusing on an individual killer rather than coupling him will all protestors, while doing the very same thing he advocates against "they will say anything--"
I do recall lots of posts regarding horrific rhetoric against Obama by right wing radicals and how that constant dehumanization of Obama could lead to murder. Those posters on DU were correct. It is the same thing in this instance.
Whether this guy did send the tweet "2 for 1." Is irrelevant--in this instance what the reasons for the murders was, It is only a matter of time.
The anger should be focused on institutional change, or anger at the individuals. Stop dehumanizing all law enforcement. It may result in violence.
wait for it...
A Little Weird (1,059 posts)
23. Really do you have posts that show DU dehumanizing all law enforcement?
I've not seen that. I've seen a lot of posts asking where all the "good" cops are and wondering why they aren't stopping the "bad" cops from killing unarmed civilians. I've seen many posts lamenting the militarization of the police forces. I've seen many posts expressing frustration and anger that cops seem to be above the law when their actions lead to someone's death (i.e. a cop chokes a man to death on camera and doesn't even have to stand trial).
What is particularly irritating in this instance is that there is no evidence that this guy was affiliated in any way with protesters but all the talking heads on TV seem to be jumping on the chance to tie them together. They did not do that when the cops were gunned down in Vegas by right-wing nutjobs, they didn't do it when the right-wing loon shot up the government building in Austin, and they did not do it when the right-wing loon flew his plane into the IRS building.
They can't help themselves.
harrose (102 posts)
67. Considering the fact that the city has been run by Rethugs for the last twenty years...
... I'm sure they made sure to hire as many racist, bigoted cops as they could.
They can't even stop themselves in the same OP.
AlbertCat (12,406 posts)
69. LOL, when law enforcement starts trying to clean up bad cops I will respect them.....
Indeed.
I don't understand how "good" cops can not jump all over "bad" cops.... they make every cop's life more difficult and put all of them in danger. But we get this camaraderie, fraternal baloney instead.
billhicks76 (1,984 posts)
63. Stupid AND Annoying
Your pontifications are pointless and absurd. There is a trend of police oppression in this country fueled by the drug war. Millions of families have been affected since the 80s. So many have died. There is no way in Hell that gangster reads DU. He was going to kill himself anyway and because cops have been in the news killing innocents he decided to go out that way. I'm surprised the police are following their union boss and not angered at the fellow cops who made this an issue to begin with. Reporting on something isn't what causes the problem. It's the original problem reported on. The same bullshit argument was used to suppress the torture report. It was the torture that was to blame not the reporting of it. The guy who did this is deservedly dead. Blaming the mayor who worries about his kid is messed up.
rhett o rick (40,684 posts)
66. Can you spell Strawman? No one here is dehumanizing all police. While bad police make up a very small part of the police forces, many if not the majority of officers will side with and cover for the bad cops over citizens.
LiberalArkie (2,128 posts)
21. Let's see. A citizen gets killed by a cop, the cop gets several months of paid vacation and then back to work. A citizen kills a cop the citizen gets blown away in the street, Plus it is hard to kill a cop with all the bullet resistant gear they have on. Plus the cop is paid to be out on the streets protecting the citizens from other citizens who would want to hurt them.
There is a coming battle between the police and the citizens. The police unions are going to make it happen one way or the other. And since when did black panther type organizations start killing black people(cops)?
So much stupid in one small post.
demigoddess (3,031 posts)
32. I've never understood why it is more heinous to kill cops who are armed, with a radio to call for backup etc, than it is to kill a small child who is defenseless. But over and over again the penalty for killing a cop is much worse than killing an unarmed woman or child.
markpkessinger (5,517 posts)
54. I got into a huge argument with my nephew, a Florida state trooper, over this very issue . . . a couple of years ago at a family function. Was not a pleasant experience!
AND THEN... shit goes off the rails...
Wella (924 posts)
42. The cop killing was a planned hit by the Black Guerrilla Family in Baltimore
And the cops were forewarned:
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-nypd-warned-militant-group-plans-shoot-cops-article-1.2036616?cid=bitly
NEW YORK - A tattooed gang of militants declared open season on the NYPD in the wake of the Eric Garner grand jury decision, according to a
threat a police union verified Saturday.
Ten Black Guerrilla Family members are “preparing to shoot on duty
police officers,†Sergeants Benevolent Association President Ed Mullins
said.
The gang, formed in the 1960s in the California prison system, recently
surfaced on the East Coast and Maryland, where members are at the heart of a drug-trafficking and corruption probe within the Baltimore prison
system.
Edited to add: Slate has a great article on this group:
How a Gang Called the Black Guerrilla Family Took Over Baltimore’s Jails
http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/04/24/black_guerilla_family_how_a_gang_took_over_baltimore_s_jails.html
Members swear allegiance for life and sport “BGF†tattoos, as well as
ink depicting a dragon surrounding a prison tower, according to
gangs.org.
An undercover NYPD cop learned of the hit put out on officers Friday
evening — three days after a Staten Island grand jury decided not to
indict Officer Daniel Pantaleo in Garner’s death. Mullins confirmed late
Saturday night that the gang was gunning for officers.
Union leaders ordered all officers, on duty and off, to take extra precautions.
“Please WEAR your VESTS and carry your firearm off-duty along with
additional magazines,†Mullins said in an alert. “Your priority is to go
home at the end of your tour!â€
helpmetohelpyou (453 posts)
43. Holy shit?
Was the shooter part of this?
Wella (924 posts)
79. The shooter was also a Ferguson protestor
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2882105/Two-New-York-police-officers-shot-Brooklyn.html#i-5263f4024b93e8d2
Wella (924 posts)
50. NY Daily News: Police believe New York City cop killer was a member of the Black Guerrilla Family
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/killer-nypd-slays-ran-black-guerrilla-family-article-1.2052069
arcane1 (26,620 posts)
46. Unless you have evidence the shooter was part of this group, your post is dishonest.
Presently we do now have that evidence.
Wella (924 posts)
49. " Police believe New York City cop killer was a member of the Black Guerrilla Family" NY Daily News
Police believe New York City cop killer was a member of the Black Guerrilla Family: sources
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/killer-nypd-slays-ran-black-guerrilla-family-article-1.2052069
The cold-blooded cop-hater who gunned down two police officers in Brooklyn on Saturday is suspected of being a member of a notorious prison gang that has declared open season on the NYPD.
Detectives were headed to Baltimore on Saturday night to probe Ismaaiyl Brinsley’s ties to the Black Guerrilla Family, sources told the Daily News.
One source said Baltimore police were already investigating Brinsley’s connection to the gang, which started in California’s San Quentin Prison in the 1960s by Black Panther member George Jackson.
“BGF has been talking about getting back at cops for Eric Garner and Ferguson,†a source told The News, citing intelligence intercepted in Baltimore area prisons.
