Let Justice Flow ......H2O Man

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H2O Man (50,767 posts)

Let Justice Flow ......


This morning, John Yoo appeared on CNN to attempt to deny and justify torture. Yoo is, of course, the primary author of the “legal opinion” that allowed the Cheney-Bush administration to torture individuals they deemed “enemies.” I have found that either watching Yoo on television, or reading his writings, extremely troubling for years.He is an easily-identified enemy of that which I consider Good in our nation.

Yet today, there was a spark of hope -- the hope that this treacherous being will be held responsible for his crimes. Despite the current policy of the Obama administration, there is a possibility -- though small -- that the tide could be turning. It was almost enjoyable to see this smug, self-righteous shithead looking very uncomfortable.

As is well-documented, Yoo was one of Dick Cheney’s lap dogs, who -- when the military and intelligence community was given a green light to torture “suspects,” and they requested legal authority to do what they knew was highly illegal -- took pride in writing an opinion he believed would secure his place in history. For years, Yoo had attacked President Bill Clinton for claiming authority (according to Yoo) that went well beyond that provided for in the US Constitution. From the warmth and comfort of Cheney’s lap, however, Yoo would claim that the Bush administration did not need to be concerned with the Constitution, federal law, international law, or international treaties.

Many here will remember the 2005 debate, between Yoo and Notre Dame law professor Douglas Cassel. In the debate, the following exchange took place:


DC: “If the President deems that he has to torture someone, including by crushing the testicles of the person’s child, there is no law that can stop him?”

JY: “No treaty.”

DC: “Also no law by Congress -- that is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo?”

JY: “I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.”


Yoo and fellow Cheney lap-dod David Addington would testify before Congress on the topic of torture in June, 2008. That meeting became ugly at times, as Yoo and Addington flaunted their knowledge that there was no plan to ever hold them responsible for their crimes. The Cheney-Bush era was a dark time in this land -- hell, on this planet -- and those here on this forum will remember the disappointment that the pair were assured, before the ‘08 election, that they were golden.

This morning, Yoo seemed a tad bit less cocky. When asked directly about some of the information documented in the Senate report, he claimed that this was a questionable source -- that the committee that investigated was dominated by Democrats, and that thus, any claims made were not “proven.” When confronted with the fact that the information was documented by CI records (and not simply democratic guesses), Yoo went from babbling about a lackof witness testimony to saying that “if any of those things happened,” it went beyond the law of the land.

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This afternoon/evening, I was at a high school girls basketball tournament. I sat with a couple, both doctors, as their daughter was engaged in the finals of the junior varsity contest -- they won! -- and we were discussing politics. The husband is my oldest brother’s age, and was active in the anti-war efforts of the 1960s and early ‘70s.

His younger sister was in the “Weather Underground.” Some of their social group went to prison for some of the crazy shit they did back then. Two of my uncles, who were legendary detectives, had busted them back in the day, and so she was always hostile to me, simply because of my last name. So I was surprised to learn that, when this guy moved back east after living in California for decades, she had spoken highly of me in terms of socio-political activism.

This fellow was not only outraged by the Senate’s releasing part of their investigation on torture, but also feeling that our nation has become so corrupt that it cannot be set on the right path. He expressed his frustration that, despite so many technologies (such as the internet), people are less organized today than they were 40 years ago. It would be accurate to say that he voiced the combined hopelessness and helplessness that defines so many Good People’s outlook today.

I, of course, disagreed with him. Respectfully. I understand and appreciate exactly why so many people think and feel what he thinks and feels.

And so it began: this gentleman began asking me questions, to see if I was familiar with a wide range of issues and theories that have influenced him. I think he was surprised that I am very familiar with literally every bit of the esoteric radical thought that influenced his generation. So much so, that he invited me and my daughter to his home after the games. He had a couple of friends coming over, and he said they would “find (me) fascinating.“ I explained that, while I’d love to continue the conversation, there were several boxing cards on television, and that I had guests coming over. (He laughed and said he hadn’t associated me with my family’s addiction to what he considers a brutal sport.)

His daughter, in the 9th grade, looks up to my daughter, a senior. She asked her parents if she could stay to watch my girl play? They said that, with company expected, they couldn’t; more, she wouldn’t have transportation. (She’s a “transfer” student from another town in another county.) So I said that she could get a ride with my daughter and I. Some day soon, we’d continue our conversation …..

The last topic we had discussed was the Nation of Islam, and specifically Minister Malcolm X. That got me thinking about one of the messages that remained consistent throughout Malcolm’s career -- which, although being short, covered a lot of territory associated with individual human evolution.

Someone’s been lying to you and I. In fact, a whole lotta people have been lying to us. Most of them are actually parroting a lie they believe, but it’s still a lie. And a few of them have been purposely lying to us.

That first group is afraid of the truth. They are scared of their best potential. Now that’s important for us to fully understand : most people are afraid of their best potential as human beings (which includes as “citizens”).

That very few also fear the truth. They hate the truth. And they fear that if you learn the truth -- if you and I learn the Truth -- it will bring forth our better potential. And maybe even our best potential as citizens.

As I view things in the context of “systems,” I’d say that our society is not unlike a large high school classroom. A shithead like Yoo, Cheney, and/or Bush are simply the kids we couldn’t stand, and wanted nothing to do with. They were convinced they were “superior,” simply because of their family’s economic status. They acted as if our lives were insignificant, and of no value. And they expected us to accept their view, and submit to their rule.

By no coincidence, these are that minority -- say, the 1% -- who continue to lie to you and I. They want us to believe that there is nothing that we can do alter the course they have determined for everyone else. The path that creates comfort for their ilk, and causes suffering for us. I’m guessing that you can remember the one-percenters from your high school. I surely remember those from my grade.

Two cousins, from the “family” that runs one of the biggest energy corporations in the northeast. I had spoken on DU last week about one’s “secret meeting” with Senator Clinton in Sidney. When I began speaking out against hydro racking a few years back, they had the audacity to try to hire me as their corporation’s “environmental consultant.”

No, that wasn’t going to happen. I will not submit to the John Yoo-types. I will not be bought by anyone. And I will not be silenced. In fact, I’m going to continue to speak out, and encourage others to re-evaluate the current system. I agree 100% with the doctor I sat near: things are actually far worse today, than they were in 1968. Our nation is being severely damaged, and I’m not talking about foreign enemies. No, it’s those kids we couldn’t stand in high school.

Let’s get back to organizing our classmates. Let’s get working on having the shitheads facing some consequences for their vile behavior. Let’s regain our Power.

Thank you for reading this.
H2O Man

I for one am not reading all of that. I would lose my mind like he did a long time ago.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025963491

[HawkHogan]

Hi-five to the first person to read all that crap.

[franksolich]

Hi-five to the first person to read all that crap.

That would be I.

There's elements of bouncies in it.

[Big Dog]

Hi-five to the first person to read all that crap.

I'd rather have the 10 minutes than the high five. 

[franksolich]

I'd rather have the 10 minutes than the high five. 

The watery primitive's Freudianly class-conscious.

He describes a couple he knows, as "doctors."

Nowhere in his post is medicine being discussed.

Myself, not being class-conscious and medicine not being the topic discussed, I would've just described them as "a couple I know."

The watery primitive just wants the other primitives to know that he knows important people.

[JohnnyReb]

Idiots....they should have called it "Birth Control" and the DUmmies would have been fine with it.

[DUmpsterDiver]

DC: “If the President deems that he has to torture someone, including by crushing the testicles of the person’s child, there is no law that can stop him?”

One would think the terrorist with the information would sing like a lark if his testicles were in the vice.  No need to bring kids into the process.

[Carl]

Is anyone going to tell the DUmp that the public yawned about all this a week ago?

[HawkHogan]

Is anyone going to tell the DUmp that the public yawned about all this a week ago?

Like Scalia mentioned earlier this week, if we captured a terrorist who had the location of a dirty bomb which would kill millions, who wouldn't want to use enhanced interrogation?

[JohnnyReb]

Like Scalia mentioned earlier this week, if we captured a terrorist who had the location of a dirty bomb which would kill millions, who wouldn't want to use enhanced interrogation?

If I knew he knew where the bomb was, I would slowly cut his nut sack off with a rusty, dull, pair of side cutters.

[delilahmused]

Do these idiots not know that plenty of guys in Special Forces go through water boarding as part of their training?

Cindie

[JohnnyReb]

Do these idiots not know that plenty of guys in Special Forces go through water boarding as part of their training?

Cindie

But that's different.....they don't like the military.

[ChuckJ]

That would be I.

There's elements of bouncies in it.

I just scanned through it. You're being much too nice, coach.

[freedumb2003b]

Hi-five to the first person to read all that crap.

I could not make it past this:

I, of course, disagreed with him. Respectfully

One things libtards can NOT be when faced with real facts and/or someone who disagrees with them is "respectful."

Bouncie above the roof level!

[thundley4]

If I knew he knew where the bomb was, I would slowly cut his nut sack off with a rusty, dull, pair of side cutters.

Side cutters = dikes. 

[obumazombie]

Hi-five to the first person to read all that crap.

Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent. Not at this time or juncture.
But if we really wanted to make a terrorist talk, force them to read it.

Do these idiots not know that plenty of guys in Special Forces go through water boarding as part of their training?

Cindie

Not just them. It's also a part of advanced aircrew training.
I really admire the active duty military today.
It must be torture for them to have owebuma as CIC.

[BlueStateSaint]

I really admire the active duty military today.
It must be torture for them to have owebuma as CIC.

I'm sure that it's a huge factor in why morale is so low . . .

[obumazombie]

I'm sure that it's a huge factor in why morale is so low . . .

I haven't had an opportunity to make a stand as big as a Pulitzer prize WSJ writer...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/12/16/i-am-not-sorry-award-winning-wsj-journalist-pens-impassioned-defense-of-cias-post-911-actions/

I would hope I would have the courage to be just as unapologetic.