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Offline DixieBelle

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Did Obama flip flop on FISA?
« on: July 10, 2008, 02:36:29 PM »
Here's the story. Obvious bias aside. Pay attention to the bolded parts:

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The U.S. Senate overwhelmingly voted Wednesday to grant retroactive amnesty to the telecoms that aided the President Bush's five-year secret, warrantless wiretapping of Americans, and to expand the government's authority to sift through U.S. communications, handing a key victory to the Bush administration.

The Democrats' presumptive presidential nominee Barack Obama (D-Illinois) voted for the final bill, despite intense lobbying by supporters who used Obama's own online organizing technology to try to hold him to his promise to fight any bill that included amnesty. New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, Obama's former rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, voted against the bill.

The 68 to 29 vote puts an end to more than a year of debate over whether the government should be able to collect millions of e-mails and phone calls daily from U.S.-based communication switches without any probable cause.  It also answers whether Congress believes the nation's telecoms and president had a duty to follow the rules set out in 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which was passed after the abuses of the 1950s and 60s.

If the FISA Amendments Act survives constitutional challenge, it dooms the dozens of anti-wiretapping lawsuits filed against the nation's telecoms, by ordering the judge in charge of the cases to dismiss them if the telecoms can prove the government asked them to help out.

Those suits seek billions in damages for alleged massive violations of communication privacy laws, and seek to prevent companies from participating again in the future without proper court orders.

Cont at link - http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/07/senate-approv-1.html

And WE posted this back in March -
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,3916.msg48600.html#msg48600

And in June, Teh Oooobama tried to innoculate Teh Devoted -
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,9141.msg111288.html#msg111288

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Re: Did Obama flip flop on FISA?
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2008, 02:55:06 PM »

as recently as february, his campaign not only said that he was opposed to any bill
with retroactive immunity, but he would filibuster said bill.

this was a triple flip-flip with a double twist, and a sow cow. 

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Re: Did Obama flip flop on FISA?
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2008, 07:01:36 PM »
Has he failed to flip flop on anything ?

I don't know if he'll beat Kerry's record for doing in in the same sentence but as he's so articulate and all maybe so.
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Re: Did Obama flip flop on FISA?
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2008, 09:01:08 PM »
Has he failed to flip flop on anything ?

I don't know if he'll beat Kerry's record for doing in in the same sentence but as he's so articulate and all maybe so.

well, now that you mention it, I'm not sure he has enough of a record to flip flip on very much. :-)