Atman McGrath Speaks Up For MIHOP Troofers Everywhere

[GOBUCKS]

This thread starts with chemtrail comedy, then the MIHOP brigade takes offense:

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:11 PM
Star Member zappaman (12,973 posts)

The Man Who Tricked Chemtrails Conspiracy Theorists

The chemtrails conspiracy theory has been circulating for a while among the same sorts of people who believe that 9/11 was an inside job and celebrities are being controlled by the CIA. In brief, chemtrail enthusiasts think that those white trails of vapor you see pouring out of planes are actually nasty chemical or biological agents that governments are using to geo-engineer the weather, create a vast electromagnetic super-weapon, control the population, or—well, you get the idea. There's no science or proof whatsoever behind this, but plenty of people are still willing to entertain this vaguely supervillain-esque notion.

On October 1, Chris Bovey—a 41-year-old from Devon, England—thought he’d troll the chemtrails camp. During a flight from Buenos Aires to the UK, his plane had to make an emergency landing in São Paulo and dumped excess fuel to lighten the load. Since he had a window seat, Chris decided to film all the liquid being sprayed out of the wing next to him.

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Mick West—editor of anti-conspiracy theory website Metabunk, which published an article explaining why Chris’s video was a hoax—explained the history of the chemtrails theory to me. “It started back in the late 1990s,” he said. “People just noticed contrails—the condensation trails behind planes—for the first time, and got this idea that a normal contrail shouldn’t persist for very long. So if anything lasted for more than a few minutes, it must be something being sprayed.”

While chemtrails advocates might accuse sheeple of believing everything their governments tell them, they themselves tend to believe a lot of the stuff their internet tells them. West thinks its the proliferation of unverified “evidence” online that’s led to this particular conspiracy theory remaining so popular.

more laughs at link
http://www.vice.com/read/i-tricked-chemtrail-conspiracy-theorists-947?utm_source=vicefbus

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025659695#post5

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:54 PM
Star Member cherokeeprogressive (17,876 posts)
24. Not quite as funny as melting chicken wire... n/t

      

Here come the troofers:

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:26 PM
Politicalboi (12,051 posts)
5. I wish they wouldn't include us truthers in other crazy conspiracies

I can't help that I don't believe that fragile planes can penetrate steel and concrete and leave NO debris anywhere near the buildings. I can't help it that I don't believe the Pentagon had 40 minutes to protect DC and did NOTHING. My beliefs have facts that are hard to overlook. But I'm sure I'll hear from those who do believe planes traveling over military bases was the safest way to go for the "terrorist" when the towers were visible on the runway. Those pesky box cutters. LOL!

These chemtrail people belong with those that think buildings fall at 10 stories a second due to fire.

Response to Politicalboi (Reply #5)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:36 PM
Drunken Irishman (26,684 posts)
15. They should - they're just as crazy.

The truthers are just as bad as the Sandy Hook deniers or those who think the holocaust was a hoax.

Anyway, I didn't realize the permanently unemployed Rob McGrath was a MIHOP troofer.

Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #15)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:46 PM
Star Member Atman (28,009 posts)
23. No, they're not.

There are mountains of evidence and obvious cover-ups (can you say secret hearings off-the-record with no transcripts) regarding WTC. There were lots of witnesses at Sandy Hook. One being false doesn't mean everything else is false.

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:38 PM
Star Member Atman (28,009 posts)
19. Kind of hard to argue with...but many people will, and do.

Planes flew miles over the Hudson River while loads of military planes were ALREADY IN THE AIR to practice against such maneuvers. Then there are the TWO billion-dollar insurance policies taken out on the WTC towers just a few weeks before the event.

Then there is the Bush family connection to security in the WTC, which was shut down for days prior to the event. Of course, we have the buildings falling perfectly into their own footprint, and #7 just falling down for no reason.

Oh, wait, and the terrorists training in South Florida while actually being roommates with FBI agents. Oh, and the perfectly intact passport of the leader of the terrorists, found laying in the road just hours after the event.

And the fact that they were almost all Saudis, which were spirited away even as our airspace was shut down. Oops, and the BBC reporting #7 had collapsed 1/2 hour before it happened.

Did I mention the Pentagon, with no debris found, and only a perfect pin-prick of a hole going through just the right part of the building? We won't even mention what Andrew Card could possibly have said to GWB in the 1 1/2 seconds he whispered in his ear during My Pet Goat.

I can understand these things and why they make no sense to some of you, just as I can understand why the chemtrail nonsense is ridiculous. Why do the two have to be mutually exclusive? Sometimes conspiracies really are conspiracies. Sometimes plane vapor trails really are just vapor trails. One doesn't make the other false.

Rob's intelligence matches his work ethic and his artistic talent.

[franksolich]

Now wait a minute.

.....the history of the chemtrails theory to me. “It started back in the late 1990s,” he said. “People just noticed contrails—the condensation trails behind planes—for the first time, and got this idea that a normal contrail shouldn’t persist for very long. So if anything lasted for more than a few minutes, it must be something being sprayed.”

What's this about the late "1990s"?

I, and just about anybody else living in central Nebraska, noticed such things as early as the 1960s, when I was a little lad, and I'm sure they were visible--and noticed--a decade or two before then.

The blue skies overhead always had streaming white clouds or vapors of.....something.

Of course, Nebraska was the site of the Strategic Air Command.

What is this "the late 1990s" bullshit?

Or is it that people in red states are more observant about things, than people in blue states?

[landofconfusion80]

Now wait a minute.

What's this about the late "1990s"?

I, and just about anybody else living in central Nebraska, noticed such things as early as the 1960s, when I was a little lad, and I'm sure they were visible--and noticed--a decade or two before then.

The blue skies overhead always had streaming white clouds or vapors of.....something.

Of course, Nebraska was the site of the Strategic Air Command.

What is this "the late 1990s" bullshit?

Or is it that people in red states are more observant about things, than people in blue states?

When you make it your business of looking down your nose upon others, you miss things happening over your head.

[JohnnyReb]

Late 1990's ?????.....it's Bill Clinton's fault.

They were around in the early 1950's along with sonic booms.  I haven't heard or felt a sonic boom since ...oh, I don't know...late 60's, early 70's. BOY! Would I like to hear the stories DUmmies would tell if a few of those were caused over a few areas of the U.S. now.

[GOBUCKS]

Now wait a minute.

What's this about the late "1990s"?

What is this "the late 1990s" bullshit?

Or is it that people in red states are more observant about things, than people in blue states?

The reason the chemtrail nuts blossomed in the late 1990s is that was when everyone and his trailer trash uncle started carrying cheap digital cameras, mostly in cellphones.

Suddenly in the 1990s, instead of requiring at least some small investment for film and developing, anyone could take hundreds or thousands of pictures at essentially zero cost.

The world was inundated by stupid pet pictures, selfies, and....chemtrails.

[Carl]

    Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #15)
    Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:46 PM
    Star Member Atman (28,009 posts)
    23. No, they're not.

    There are mountains of evidence and obvious cover-ups (can you say secret hearings off-the-record with no transcripts) regarding WTC. There were lots of witnesses at Sandy Hook. One being false doesn't mean everything else is false.

Guess Rob thinks no one saw the events of 9/11.
These idiots deserve the eternity of misery they are heading for.

[FiddyBeowulf]

The reason the chemtrail nuts blossomed in the late 1990s

Two words...Art Bell.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Now wait a minute.

What's this about the late "1990s"?

I, and just about anybody else living in central Nebraska, noticed such things as early as the 1960s, when I was a little lad, and I'm sure they were visible--and noticed--a decade or two before then.

The blue skies overhead always had streaming white clouds or vapors of.....something.

Of course, Nebraska was the site of the Strategic Air Command.

What is this "the late 1990s" bullshit?

Or is it that people in red states are more observant about things, than people in blue states?

He doesn't mean contrails started then - Hell, you can see pictures of them in photos of the Mighty Eighth on bombing runs over Germany in '43/'44 - he means it wasn't until the 90's that the wackadoodles seized on them as a conspiracy to chemically attack/experiment/whatever on the public.

[98ZJUSMC]

and celebrities are being controlled by the CIA.

 
First I've heard of that one.

[Skul]

Two words...Art Bell.

I can't help but think that guy was pranking the loonies.

I also remember seeing white vapor trails behind B-36's while living in the roof of Nebr.
This was around 1952.

[delilahmused]

Sheesh! Even the $2billion insurance thing has been debunked and they still believe.

Cindie

[wasp69]

Sheesh! Even the $2billion insurance thing has been debunked and they still believe.

Cindie

Well, Cindie, it is McGrath....

[GOBUCKS]

I, and just about anybody else living in central Nebraska, noticed such things as early as the 1960s, when I was a little lad, and I'm sure they were visible--and noticed--a decade or two before then.

On the old newsreels from WWII, you see vivid contrails from the B-29s on their way to bomb Japan.

I've also seen WWII newsreel films of tangled contrails from high altitude dogfights.

It all depends on the weather conditions.