BainsBane (27,669 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025300083
Man lured ex-girlfriend online with 50 Shades of Grey bondage fantasy before raping her
Given the disagreements over interpretations of the Fifty Shades book, I did a search on rape and the title and this incident came up.
No, this is not a call to ban the book.
Let me write another headline for you:
Guy robs store with a gun, similar to the ones in the movie Saving Private Ryan.
Now, I am not saying war movies should be banned, but I did a search online for guns in war movies and this news article came up...
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
5. While yesterday commenting on characters in that book amounted to criticizing people's private sex lives.
The central point seems to be all sex is good. All criticism of sex is bad, even when critics believe that "sex" to be at least in part non-consensual.
That is the motto of the DUmp.
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
10. The court says the rapist sought to emulate the book in order to win back the affections of his ex-girlfriend.
and... did that effect the outcome of the trial? Did the Judge blame the book?
(ps- video games with violence don't cause mass shootings!)
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
23. Actually it was the victim
A WOMAN has warned of the dangers of the book 50 Shades of Grey after her ex-partner used it to lure her into a “nightmare†rape ordeal.
The 48-year-old father-of-three, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was yesterday jailed for creating a fake Facebook profile to manipulate the woman into an anonymous bondage fantasy that he thought would win her back. . .
Outside court, the victim told the Geelong Advertiser she hoped her story could help others avoid the “roller-coaster†of pain and suffering she’d been through.
“Fifty Shades of Grey may have liberated a lot of women into trying things they wouldn’t normally but it does open the door to predators to take advantage,†she said.
“There’s a clear message (in this) to be careful.â€
She said women should never let embarrassment, shame or guilty stop them from seeking justice. .
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er... that's not what the OP states...
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
29. My OP is text from the article and a note about how I happened upon it. Nothing is inaccurate, unless the article itself is inaccurate.
And your argument makes no sense:
The crime was not due to a reenactment. It was made easier due to a reenactment, but that's very different.
Wait wait... you said the book caused the rape. the victim states she was getting into a bondage fantasy... you are claiming with out saying it the book caused the rape! Did you edit your OP?
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
44. No, I didn't make changes. It says what it did when you first responded. What outrageous charges are you talking about? And have you ever read your own threads?I've read all my on-line fanfic about Frank and you giving
50 Shades of Grey are run for it's money. Is that what you are talking about?
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
21. Or, as in your first analogy, The Bible.
Anthology is the word you are looking for. I used Adam and Eve as a metaphor for you and Frank. The snake is obviously me.
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
25. The point Is that the connection between the book and rape are not as far-fetched as some seem to think.
A secondary point is that Australia's justice system would appear to be superior to our own in prosecuting sexual assault, at least in this particular case. I can't see this being prosecuted or resulting in a conviction in the US. I would like to be wrong about that.
Do you have statistics on the numbers of sexual assaults tried and convicted in the US and Australia??? Or, is this just one more thing you pulled out of your ass. (heheheh--- snake pun)
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
6. The court blamed the book. Not me. I'm posting the story.
No- the court stated the defendant and the victim claimed the book was the cause- you support the claim based on your shitty OP.
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
49. I stated my point 1) That the connection between the book and rape is not as far-fetched as some claim. 2) Australia appears to be better at dealing with these crimes than the US.
Moirah's point below, which echoes the victim's own cautionary to the public, is a good one: People need to be careful.
How about you shouldn't hook up on line for a anon BDSM party with someone you don't know.
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
11. Intersting anaology One I've seen countless times here.
No- that is a theory, not an "anaology". analogy. in biology, similarity of function and superficial resemblance of structures that have different origins. OR- form of reasoning in which one thing is inferred to be similar to another thing in a certain respect, on the basis of the known similarity between the things in other respects.
That is what your OP was.
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
13. This is Australia. I don't think he would have been prosecuted in the US.
Why don't you think so? Do you have proof, like what statute he violated (HA! another sex pun)
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
15. No. I'm assiduously avoiding dealing with the Gaza conflict, as well as the mess in my house.
Gaza? Other than Hamas getting royally ****ed by the IDF what's that got to do with 50SoG?
Star Member BainsBane (27,669 posts)
27. Is there something in the SOP Of GD that prohibits discussion of crimes and verdicts from three months ago?
WTF? Are you stroking out? Do you hear birds chirping? Burning hair? We are talking about a book causing a dude to rape his ex in some sort of twisted Facebook Anon BDSM Fantasy Hook Up... in Australia. AND you exploiting the crime to push an agenda.
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
33. "Exploiting a real rape" Sounds a lot like the gunner arguments that commenting on gun deaths is "exploiting" them. What it really means is events that don't promote the speaker's agenda should not be mentioned. I suggest if you find reading such threads so embarrassing, you take advantage of the trash by keyword function available to members.
Embarrassingly stupid. BUT, What about you and Frank hooking up?
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
37. I wouldn't let someone from online pick me up at home for a first date. Let alone leave a door unlocked.
But you would have sex on the first date right? I'd bring condoms, lube, and chloroform filled rags.
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
41. Wow. You're careful. I just stick to a public place like a coffee shop.
Well... yeah. Coffee is a given. My last 'first date' was a weekend of camping at a lake. It went really well. We are now on our fifth date.
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
46. The "if the date sucks" Is one of many reasons why I prefer a brief cup of coffee for a first date.
I'm glad it worked out well for you.
It was kind of funny. We slept in the same bed the first night- no sex. She was real nervous about the sex thing- talked about what the new sex rules are about dating. She said ten dates. On date three we had sex in the hot tub after a few drinks. She laughed about it later and swore me to tell no one... but you guys, that is. It's not her fault of course- it just happened.
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
43. No, the fault lies with the rapist. The book provided his inspiration.
WHAT!? No! I didn't rape her. That's crazy!
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
53. What do you think the references to the book in that article mean?
OH- the case... I think the defense was looking for an angle.
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
61. He didn't use the book as lure. He used ideas from the book as lure. The key difference is lost on you.
No- it's that there is no 'key difference'. Using the ideas FROM the BOOK are the same as using the BOOK (what, as a physical object? Did he knock her out with it?)...
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
71. It nullifies your anaology. Ideas are not candy. The ideas came from the book. You have no idea what inspired him.
You keep ****ing up that word. I swear I'm gonna pop you one if you keep ****ing it up. BUT- the concept of using the ideas from a literary source to get a girl is very old, BB. What inspired him was getting some sex. From the article it was the girl who said the book was a lure.
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
55. So you think the woman knows nothing about what was done to her? I fail to see how you think means the book had no influence on the rapist.
You just said we don't know what the motivation of the guy was, what his 'muse' was. You can't post different sides to the same story in various posts. Anyway, it's not like 50SoG invented bondage. It could have been bondage.org which gave the guy the idea.
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
66. No, it didn't invent it, nor does it depict it
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Not according to articles written by those involved in the BDSM community.
I knew someone would deny this assault was rape. The man is convicted. True, it was in Australia and not in this land where too many believe women's rights to control their own bodies to be incidental. Your confusion about the event could be cleared up by reading the news article, something you claim to have done but of which your response suggests uncertainty.
No one said it wasn't rape. We are arguing about the book being the driving force (your position) and no-one knowing what drove the guy (also your position in various posts)
The Straight Story (47,795 posts)
47. Ok...so 1 person out of the millions who read the book...and what is this supposed to show anyway?
That a book will induce people to rape? I am not following what it is your actual issue is with the books, this story, etc.
BainsBane (27,669 posts)
48. It's just the straight story, The Straight Story. Make of it what you will.
