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Educate me - Israel/Palestine
« on: July 21, 2014, 07:56:52 AM »
I heard a Palestinian official today say that Israel has no reason to be striking Gaza and massacring it's people.  Please tell me how he can say that when Hamas is nestled in Gaza and firing rockets from Gaza into Israel. What is Israel supposed to do? 

I really don't understand the whole "they are innocent" line when there is so much proof that Hamas is shooting the rockets.  What gives?

Why is Hamas treated with kid gloves?  Why aren't the residents of Gaza kicking their asses out?
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Re: Educate me - Israel/Palestine
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2014, 08:40:38 AM »
Short answer...Moohammed ordered the Muslims to wipe out the joooos....and only Muslims are innocent, no one else is innocent.
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Re: Educate me - Israel/Palestine
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2014, 10:14:54 AM »
A lot of innocent people get killed when shooting starts, even if they weren't the intended targets, so there's that much truth in it.  Of course they are mainly not the intended targets of the Israelis, but are the intended targets of the Hamas rockets.

As far as kicking Hamas out, well, that kind of stuff only works in actual democracies where the guys you're trying to kick out don't have all the guns on their side.  Plenty of pundits talk large about it, but none of them have to actually live there and really try to bell that cat.
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Re: Educate me - Israel/Palestine
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2014, 01:37:31 PM »
How is Hamas a gov't?  They are terrorists.  How is that allowed?

I know I'm asking dumb questions but I just don't get how this stuff is happening now. 






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Re: Educate me - Israel/Palestine
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2014, 01:44:12 PM »
I heard a Palestinian official today say that Israel has no reason to be striking Gaza and massacring it's people.  Please tell me how he can say that when Hamas is nestled in Gaza and firing rockets from Gaza into Israel. What is Israel supposed to do?

They say that with a straight face because of their inbred antisemitism and a belief that the Jews are trespassing on what is their land.

There wouldn't be a "massacre" of the people in Gaza if Hamas and Hezbollah didn't believe the best hiding spot for their rockets was next to playground, schools and hospitals. This is done intentionally to create the backlash against Israel you see now.

And of course there's the stupid notion that Israel should never ever strike back in self defense no matter how many rockets are fired from Gaza or the West Bank.  In their mind (and in the mids of the Libtards here)  it's justified when THEY do it but uncalled for when Israel defends itself.

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I really don't understand the whole "they are innocent" line when there is so much proof that Hamas is shooting the rockets.  What gives?

Because they've launched a pretty successful PR campaign and have convinced the bleeding hearts around the world that they are being bullied continuously by mean old Israel.

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Why is Hamas treated with kid gloves?  Why aren't the residents of Gaza kicking their asses out?

They aren't kicked out for the same reason minorities in the U.S. continue to vote in large blocks for Democrats.
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Re: Educate me - Israel/Palestine
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2014, 01:46:49 PM »
How is Hamas a gov't?  They are terrorists.  How is that allowed?

Like other Islamic terrorist organizations...they have a political arm as well as a military one.  Basically the same way the IRA and Sinn Fein worked together back in the day.

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I know I'm asking dumb questions but I just don't get how this stuff is happening now.

Israel has been boxed into a corner since the first day of their official existence right after WW II.  This isn't really that new.
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Re: Educate me - Israel/Palestine
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2014, 01:57:46 PM »
Israel has been boxed into a corner since the first day of their official existence right after WW II.  This isn't really that new.

I know.  I just can't see how so many are on "their" side when it's just right there.  The rockets are coming from Gaza and these "civilians" know it.  I would just think it's easy to fool supporters once but time after time you would think they would say cut the shit!  stop firing rockets and nothing will happen. :rant:






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Re: Educate me - Israel/Palestine
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2014, 02:04:12 PM »
I know.  I just can't see how so many are on "their" side when it's just right there.  The rockets are coming from Gaza and these "civilians" know it.  I would just think it's easy to fool supporters once but time after time you would think they would say cut the shit!  stop firing rockets and nothing will happen. :rant:

The silent majority usually doesn't do squat about their situation no matter where they are at.  Whether it's Muslims in general standing up against Sharia, Palestinians standing up to the brutality of Hamas and Hezbollah or Germans standing up to the tyranny of Hitler.

Hell look at our own situation in the U.S. right now.
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Re: Educate me - Israel/Palestine
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2014, 02:19:01 PM »
It's a curious thing why so many Muslims allow themselves to be used by and ruled by brutal tyrants.

Their beliefs in the Koran and the teaching of their Imams/Mullahs have brainwashed them. 

A few Islamists have gotten away and have spoken out on it.  One that's interesting to listen to is the son of a Hamas general, Mosab Yousef. He has youtube interviews/speeches and even written a book called "Son of Hamas".

Check out Amazon, there are a lot of books that try to explain it.

 


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Re: Educate me - Israel/Palestine
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2014, 06:23:45 PM »
Israel withdrew from Gaza as part of a peace agreement in 2005. At great political expense, Israel also withdrew the settlers. This was part of a peace deal.  Gaza was no longer occupied, they were free to determine their own destiny.

Israel fulfilled its end of the deal. But peace takes two willing partners. In exchange for withdrawal, the palestinians loaded up on missiles and started firing at civilian areas of Israel, Then in 2006, the palestinians freely ELECTED Hamas to rule Gaza. Hamas celebrated victory my murdering all the other political parties and launching eternal war with Israel.

Terms of office have come and gone. No new elections have occurred since 2006. Any palistinian who speaks out is labeled an Israeli collaborator and executed without a trial.

Hamas has a political arm that indoctrinates the children to be terrorists and it also sucks billions out of gullible Europeans. These billions are not invested in the economy, but spent on munitions. Any cease fire is merely to restock their missiles.

Hamas is great at using civilians as human shields. They like to launch missiles from a school roof and forbid the children from running for their lives. In fact Hamas will shoot palestinains who don't want to be human shields.

Bottom line: You have three parties involved in this war.
Israel. Civilized, but after 60 years of non-stop terror they have had enough.
Gaza: Savages, animals and murderers. They have broken every cease fire and agreement they signed.
Euro-weenies: They say nothing when Jews get killed, but the moment Israel starts to defend herself, they shout stop! You're killing too many people. One of them even wrote an op-ed saying Iron Dome missile defense gave Israel an unfair advantage. Obama and Democrats not up for reelection are in this camp.

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Re: Educate me - Israel/Palestine
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2014, 07:33:42 AM »
If Reagan was president right now, what do you think he would do?






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Re: Educate me - Israel/Palestine
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2014, 01:38:43 PM »
If Reagan was president right now, what do you think he would do?

He'd back Israel.  He'd let the PM know the U.S. was ready to help them and had their back.
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Re: Educate me - Israel/Palestine
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2014, 01:39:31 PM »
Gina this thread may help explain the mindset of Hamas and Hezbollah and how they came to be.

http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=97349.new#new
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Re: Educate me - Israel/Palestine
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2014, 01:42:43 PM »
Thank you.  I'll read in a bit  :cheersmate:






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