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doxiedad hates homeschooled kids
« on: June 07, 2014, 06:59:20 PM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025061140

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Home schooled kids are MORE prone to kill and be gun advocates. OR NOT?

 I have noticed that home schooled kids are the people in the news shooting other kids. The kid in Moncton Canada, Adam Lanza, etc.
 NOT SAYING THAT ALL KILLER KIDS ARE HOME SCHOOLED, but if you are seeing your mother and a cat named Theo everyday instead of interacting with OTHER CHILDREN, I can see where your world would be skewed. it's worrisome.
 
Ask any psychiatrist and they will tell you it's unhealthy...at....best...to not have interaction with other kids, and I'm not talking about other home schooled kids. That's akin tostaying in the same DNA pool. No good. Before you start sending me to a jury, this is MY opinion ONLY, but there's merit in it. As these shootings go on...you'll see what I mean. Besides, as a taxpayer, I am incensed that you feeel that your little angel is too ******* good to go to as public school. That's a rant for another day.....

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Re: doxiedad hates homeschooled kids
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2014, 08:32:33 PM »
Apparently, the Chicago Teachers Union doesn't agree with you.

70% of the members of the Union send their kids to private schools, not UNION SUPPORTED public schools.
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Re: doxiedad hates homeschooled kids
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2014, 09:03:14 PM »
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as a taxpayer, I am incensed that you feeel that your little angel is too ******* good to go to as public school.


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Re: doxiedad hates homeschooled kids
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2014, 09:55:07 PM »

Where do King Putt and She-Hulk send their daughters to school?

You mean those two girls from Central Casting they're passing off as fruits of their "union"?

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Re: doxiedad hates homeschooled kids
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2014, 09:58:30 PM »
Moonbats home school too you know.
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Re: doxiedad hates homeschooled kids
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2014, 11:10:55 PM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025061140

The whole thread is good, especially when he stomps off to go mow the lawn after some other posters call him a troll:
Ummm ... yeah. Adam Lanza was not homeschooled.

Justin Bourque was, but was age 24, and had started having mental problems two years prior to the shootings:

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As neighbors of his parents and others who knew Bourque spoke of a quiet man from a well-liked, religious Catholic family that home-schooled its children, recent posts on social networks told a very different tale - a litany of paranoid conspiracies that included statements on Russia being a threat to Canada and deep animosity toward authority figures

A friend, Trever Finck, said he noticed changes in Bourque's behavior over the last year, particularly after he created a new Facebook page for himself in February and filled it with anti-police messages and conspiracy theories. His profile picture shows him standing in the woods with a friend, wearing camouflage gear and clutching a shotgun. What appear to be dozens of spent shell casings lie at their feet.

'I just want to know what was going through his head,' Finck said.

Church administrator Dianne LeBlanc said it had been many years since she had seen Bourque, who moved out of the family home about 18 months ago. But his parents never missed a Sunday service at Christ the King Catholic church, she said. They often arrived with at least a couple of their grown children in tow, she added.
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NOT SAYING THAT ALL KILLER KIDS ARE HOME SCHOOLED, but if you are seeing your mother and a cat named Theo everyday instead of interacting with OTHER CHILDREN, I can see where your world would be skewed. it's worrisome.
The guy clearly has never gotten to know a real homeschooling family. I have. Many hundreds. We (note the first-person pronoun) did/do not isolate our children, nor did/do we keep our children in the house 24 x 7 x 52. Without trying it, I am certain that Googling "homeschool soccer" or "homeschool choir" or "homeschool park day" or "homeschool field trip" will result in overwhelming evidence of this. Our family's challenge was not overloading with out-of-the-home activities (sports league, bowling league, choir, park days, journalism and art classes, ...).
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Re: doxiedad hates homeschooled kids
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2014, 11:44:24 PM »
We home school. I'm not aware of anybody my kids have killed, I may have to look a bit more into that however.  Anyways, here are some of the fruits of our homeschooling project:

-The kids are at least a couple of class level equivalents beyond their public school counterparts.
-The 4 year old is able to count off even numbers and knows the difference between evens and odds
-The 6 year old is digging into electricity and engineering projects that some adults would have a hard time understanding. 
-They have a massive social structure.  The county we live in has one of the most active libraries in the state, and a very large home schooling presence with a vast array of economic and social tiers represented.
-When the county decided to restructure the number of schools and classrooms (for the worst according to most people) we were unaffected
-No Common Core nonsense in this house, the kids are going to be enjoying a serious competitive advantage in the workforce
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Re: doxiedad hates homeschooled kids
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2014, 11:58:17 PM »
The one thing they never talk about in their home school threads is the academic achievement of the kids.  Unfortunately, they can't talk about their real problem.  They can't get their hands on the kids to brainwash them.

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Re: doxiedad hates homeschooled kids
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2014, 12:07:29 AM »
The one thing they never talk about in their home school threads is the academic achievement of the kids.  Unfortunately, they can't talk about their real problem.  They can't get their hands on the kids to brainwash them.

The inability to indoctrinate is part of their real objection. Another part, believe it or not, is money. While it is obviously true that homeschooling families, directly or indirectly, pay the same taxes, federal and state money to school districts is based on average daily attendance. Thus every homeschooled (and private-schooled) child is however many thousands of dollars per year a school district does not receive from the Feds and the state.

As to discussing academic achievement, that's avoided for at least two reasons. First, it puts the dismal academic state of PSs on the table for discussion. Second, there is a fair amount of research "out there" - some but not all from National Home Education research Institute, whose founder homeschooled his children - that shows that homeschooled children, as a sub-population, do very well.
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Re: doxiedad hates homeschooled kids
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2014, 12:23:32 AM »
Moonbats home school too you know.

Tis true. All manner of moonbats. The girls of Prussian Blue were homeschooled so their mother could teach them her racist poison without contradicting influences. And I've known of at least one ultra-liberal Christian-baiting lesbian who was homeschooling her son. Moonbatian homeschoolers - of whatever stripe - are pretty rare. I think a majority of homeschoolers are theologically conservative Christians, but there are a fair number of atheists, theologically liberal Christians (some overlap there, obviously; I didn't use quote marks to be nice), Jews, Jehovah's witnesses and Muslims.
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Re: doxiedad hates homeschooled kids
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2014, 03:34:27 AM »
The one thing they never talk about in their home school threads is the academic achievement of the kids.  Unfortunately, they can't talk about their real problem.  They can't get their hands on the kids to brainwash them.

Spot on.

I'm thankful that ours are well beyond school, if they weren't, we'd homeschool them for sure.

The public education system is nothing but a ideological indoctrination machine even out in the sticks, and in most places, it has been for a long time. They did little to teach critical or independent thinking even back when I was in school.


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Re: doxiedad hates homeschooled kids
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2014, 05:21:43 AM »
The one thing they never talk about in their home school threads is the academic achievement of the kids.  Unfortunately, they can't talk about their real problem.  They can't get their hands on the kids to brainwash them.

They can't.  At that point they go off in a huff of invective and non-sequiturs.  Oddly enough, the was a Discussionist Poll on this today, too.  The count, when I was there, was over 96% in favor.
              

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Re: doxiedad hates homeschooled kids
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2014, 05:24:59 AM »
The inability to indoctrinate is part of their real objection.

:hi5:  That's it.  The socialization objection is utter nonsense.
              

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Re: doxiedad hates homeschooled kids
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2014, 08:14:28 AM »
:hi5:  That's it.  The socialization objection is utter nonsense.

It's nice of you, but you're being too kind! "Socialization" is a "there" to which PS advocates should not go! :whistling: There are a good number of homeschoolers who will make that point rather clearly. :whistling: Bullies and gang bangers and drugs, oh my! Bullies and gang bangers and drugs, oh my!

Not every PS is gang- and drug- and bully-infested, but why risk your children's well-being? And then ...

And then there's the recent phenomena of accusing K'gartener and First Grade boys of sexual harassment and expelling boys (mostly, but not exclusively) who point their index fingers saying, "Bang!" or "Pow!" and "transgender" students being allowed to choose restrooms by their feelings rather than their corporal plumbing. OTOH, the lazy and perverse practice of punishing bullies and their victims who dare to defend themselves physically goes back over 4 decades, in my experience.
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Re: doxiedad hates homeschooled kids
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2014, 09:35:03 AM »
We home school. I'm not aware of anybody my kids have killed, I may have to look a bit more into that however.  Anyways, here are some of the fruits of our homeschooling project:

-The kids are at least a couple of class level equivalents beyond their public school counterparts.

I would not diminish their accomplishments in the least, but this is pretty common among homeschoolers. When children enjoy learning, are unleashed to pursue things that interest them, get individual instruction, are allowed to learn at their pace rather than being tied to the slowest students in a class of 20-30, and don't have the time overhead of roll call, class-changing, and government-mandated PC @#$%, it's amazing what they accomplish!

-The 4 year old is able to count off even numbers and knows the difference between evens and odds

Our son is ~2 1/2 years younger than his older sister, and we started homeschooling her at age 5. To encourage her and to use as teaching tools, we had number charts and addition/subtraction posters in our dining area and living room. At age 4 our son was driving us nuts with questions, until it got through our thick skulls (mine especially) that he was genuinely interested, and he was understanding it. On the flip side, he and his older sister did not start reading with confidence until age 9 or 10. But when they did, it was like rockets taking off. Their younger sister learned to read with confidence at age 5. "One size fits all" really does not.

-The 6 year old is digging into electricity and engineering projects that some adults would have a hard time understanding.

The flexibility and freedom homeschooling enables are wonderful! Our older daughter was reading Jane Austen's and the Bronte sisters' books at age 12 or 13. Her younger sister was reading Shakespeare and Dostoyevsky at the same ages (one of her counselors at basketball and volleyball camp was amused that she was reading Dostoyevsky's The Idiot at age 12). Their brother, in Jr. High and high school, earned Eagle rank in a very demanding Boy Scout troop, learned to play drums (well enough to be a drummer in our church's worship teams), was concurrently enrolled in our local JC, and was learning karate. He also had a job at a KFC, becoming an assistant manager at age 17. Our kids weren't prodigies, just unleashed.

-They have a massive social structure.  The county we live in has one of the most active libraries in the state, and a very large home schooling presence with a vast array of economic and social tiers represented.

County and city libraries here in Silicon Valley are also heavily used by homeschoolers. We used to carry our load of returned and checked out books in and out using a laundry basket.

One of the stereotypes of homeschooling families is that they are all white, and avoiding contact with ethnic minorities. I'm sure that there are towns somewhere in the US where the homeschoolers all happen to be ethnic European (As an aside, how did it become "true" that ethnic Europeans are culturally homogeneous? Try peddling that narrative in France, Germany, England, Spain, and Italy!). And of course there are a few racist idiots like the Prussian Blue girls' mother who homeschool to isolate their children from minorities. But if one observes the General Sessions or Exhibit Halls, or wanders about the hallways at a homeschooling convention, one will see people of many ethnic origins. I've volunteered at many such conventions, local and statewide, so BTDT, got several drawersful of T-shirts! Mrs. SVPete, another couple, and I started and co-directed a homeschooling support group that grew to 120 families in the 4 years we led the group (it's still around, 22 years later; you can blame me for the group's acronymic name). At various times we had black, Hispanic and Asian families in the group and in leadership positions in the group (we sub-divided the main group into small groups for practical reasons, so there were lots of people with leadership responsibilities). I apologize for the length of this explanation, but a stereotype can be parroted in 1 or 2 sentences. Showing it to be ludicrous is not amenable to brevity.

-When the county decided to restructure the number of schools and classrooms (for the worst according to most people) we were unaffected

4 or 5 decades ago, unification of small school districts into one mega-district was sold as a way to gain economies of scale: the administration of the one district would be smaller that than administrations of the multiple districts; administrative facilities would be fewer; the mega-district would have better purchasing power than the many smaller districts. It didn't work out that way. Administration did not shrink (in fact it grew, though due to other causes, e.g. Federal- and state-mandated monitoring and reporting). The larger structures were much less flexible. School boards became less answerable to district residents, but more susceptible to organized activist groups and unions, That was the 1970s. I assume this has grown worse, not gotten better.

-No Common Core nonsense in this house, the kids are going to be enjoying a serious competitive advantage in the workforce

Homeschooling pioneers - in the late 70s and early 80s - found few publishers of curricular materials willing to sell to them. Homeschoolers simply did not fit their business models, and there was some "professional" snobbery. By the late 80s, when we started homeschooling, several significant publishers (especially Christian publishers and distributors!) figured out how to address the swiftly growing market of homeschoolers. From about the late 90s onward, the choices of curricular materials available to homeschoolers approached bewildering! Can you say flexibility and freedom?!

We are uncomfortably close, as a nation, to the point where people able to read, do math, understand science, and are willing to work and keep learning are becoming an ad hoc elite. There may be some hyperbole in saying that, but we are becoming pathetic! Worse, those people who are able and willing to create and produce have two large parasites living off and hindering them: government regulatory (and other) bureaucracy; dependent people living who have made government social programs their career and lifestyle.
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