Epic Fury

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Regime fires missile from civilian population center. Missile malfunctions and falls on the city.


https://www.reddit.com/r/NewIran/comments/1sbfesh/video_showing_the_malfunctioning_missile_that_was/

[ADsOutburst]

I overheard part of a news report about the downed F-15. I only caught a little bit, but dang, it sounded a bit like the reporter was cheerleading the Iranians. Maybe I'm wrong, but he said something like "Iran is showing it can shoot a high-tech F-15, and hopes this is a turning point in the war" (paraphrase).

I really, really hope they find the second crewmember alive, but militarily, I don't think shooting down an F-15E wins the war for Iran. It is a PR victory for the Iranians. The Iraqis shot down something in the neighborhood of 40 coalition aircraft in Desert Storm, and they still lost decisively.

[SVPete]

From my Breaking News post, this is a significant loss, obviously.

In the context of the past 5 weeks, the US has been flying B-52s, B-1s, F-15Es, and F/A-18E/Fs in Iranian airspace for 4 weeks or more, and A-10Cs for 2 or 4 weeks (reports vary). B-52s and B-1s have the RCS and IR visibility of an adult bull African elephant. F-15Es and F/A-18E/Fs have the RCS and IR visibility of a black rhino. And A-10Cs are Warthogs. In context, what is remarkable and indicative of how things stand is that this is Iran's first shootdown.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Former PJ discusses rescue of F-15 WSO:

https://youtu.be/rx1V4OTKKv4


'MURICA!

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Tuckunder Carlson says the rescue of the F-15 WSO desecrated Easter and is a prelude to Trump starting the Biblical Apocalypse.

Tucker Carlson

@TuckerCarlson
Desecrating Easter was the first step toward nuclear war. Christians need to understand where Trump is taking us.

https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/2041268132304540110

[SVPete]

Yeah, like Dems and other Progs, he's pissed he can't use a captive or dead US airman against Trump.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Yeah, like Dems and other Progs, he's pissed he can't use a captive or dead US airman against Trump.

It's been a minute, but I remembered this. This would have been a good response to Tuckunder...


Matthew 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.

2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.

...

9 And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:

10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.

11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?

12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Growing up I was always told that he was the democratically elected prime minister, and that he tried nationalized the oil before he was couped.

But it takes just 15 minutes of research to learn that that is maybe 10% of the whole story.

Some interesting facts:

1- He was only elected after the previous prime minister Haj Ali Razmara was assassinated by a member of the group ‘Fadaiyane Eslam’ called Khalil Tahmasebi

2- He not only supported the assassin by the parliament, but he actually MET with the assassin and financially supported him. And not with his own personal funds. The STATE was directed to provide for him. Because he saw the killing as justified, and saw Razmara as a traitor.

3- What did Razmara argue, that made him seen as a traitor?

•   Iran lacked the full technical and commercial apparatus to run the whole chain immediately

•   Britain could weaponize global oil logistics and markets against Iran

•   therefore, the smarter path was to force a better deal first (profit share, auditing, sovereignty concessions), then build capacity, then take fuller control when you can actually monetize it
4- Mossadegh chose immediate, full nationalization. The nationalization law was passed March 1951, and then he becomes prime minister under huge Majles pressure in April 1951.

5- Saudi Arabia also did not have nationalized oil at the time. They were dealing with the Americans though, and not the British. Look into what the Golden Gimmick was. Razmara wanted to eventually push for a deal like the Americans Golden Gimmick, before it all went downhill. Especially after ARAMCO accepted the 50–50 profit-sharing formula in Saudi Arabia, pressure mounted on the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company to offer similar terms to Iran. Britain was slow and arrogant about it. But negotiations were ongoing. Mossadegh chose immediate, full nationalization rather than forcing a 50–50 structure first and using that revenue to build capacity.

6- Mossadegh seemingly did not think about the fact that the British wouldn’t just sit and watch him do whatever he wants, and that they have leverage. They had the power to make Irans oil revenue go to 0, and they did exactly that using blockades and sanctions. Mind you, There were British and international proposals and negotiations (including British missions) aimed at a settlement that would still significantly increase Iran’s take. But Mossadegh simply just wouldn’t budge, all for a symbolic nationalization while the budget got completely destroyed.

7- Then once the crisis is already bleeding the state, he uses political control tactics to keep himself in the driver’s seat. In the 1952 Majles elections, the voting/counting process was STOPPED after enough MPs were elected to form a quorum (79 out of 136), specifically to prevent opposition candidates from rural areas taking seats. The “democratically elected PM” story ignores that he increasingly governs through exceptional powers and political maneuvering once the oil crisis and opposition pressure spike.

8- By the time the coup happens, yes foreign intelligence is involved, but the internal situation is already cracked: collapsing revenue, institutional enemies, split allies, and a parliament situation he helped destabilize. That is why it was even possible. He specifically made it impossible to oppose him through the Majles. So what is a Shah and an army supposed to do? Just let the country be destroyed?

9- Through his rise, he made allies with Abolghasem Kashani, who had ties with Fadaiyane Eslam, and Kashani eventually betrayed him when it was all unraveling.

So in short, he was a patriot who had good intentions for his country. There is no denying it. He was also painfully shortsighted and incompetent, and not quite democratic. Correct me if any part of this is incorrect, but anyone who tells you that he was “democratically elected” and that he “nationalized the oil” is either lying to you or is misinformed. Everything Haj Ali Razmara said came to pass. Mossadegh destabilized and damaged the country with his shortsightedness, despite his good intentions. His own actions and who he chose to ally himself with were his undoing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NewIran/comments/1r1rr3z/i_am_curious_what_is_your_opinion_on_mossadegh/