‘Right-Wing Political Culture’ Wrong to Celebrate Gun-Toting, Anti-Gov’t Rancher

[dutch508]

A good majority of the posts in the pro-gun section of DU are posted by Secular Motion, a rabid anti-gun fruitloop. Somehow he tries to convince the 'gunners' that supporting freedom is bad, m'kay?

SecularMotion (4,616 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172142997

‘Right-Wing Political Culture’ Wrong to Celebrate Gun-Toting, Anti-Gov’t Rancher

On Monday, MSNBC host Ari Melber called the actions of Bundy and his supporters “lawlessness.” He added that “right-wing political culture” is wrong to celebrate the actions of a man who instigated an armed confrontation with federal authorities over a land dispute.

“What you have here is lawlessness,” Melber said. He said that it is clear Bundy was violating the law by grazing his cattle on federal lands and “menacing” federal authorities by confronting them while in possession of a firearm.

“We don’t want to be that kind of country,” Melber insisted. “I think the folks were way out of line, walking around with their weapons, and I think it goes to a problem with gun culture.”

MSNBC coming out to shill for the Obama thugocracy? Say it isn't so!

gejohnston (14,578 posts)
4. You missed my point entirely

Last edited Wed Apr 16, 2014, 03:04 PM - Edit history (2)

I simply pointed out an obvious double standard. Please let me illustrate my point further.


~He has repeatedly thumbed his nose at the Federal Government.
 
So has every medical marijuana dispensory in the US. Are you saying if the DEA were to show up at certain smoke shops in, say, Colorado with machine guns and dogs that you have Holder's back? Didn't think so. Speaking of which, shall we discuss where these establishments get their inventory? How do you feel about pot growers who grow on public land, pollute the water, booby trap their groves, and open fire on any hiker or mountain bike rider who stumbles across the field? When I was a kid in Wyoming, WFG would stop me to check our hunting licenses etc. Even though he knew we all had guns, he got out of his truck unarmed. They only started carrying guns in the past 30 years because of pot growers and meth labs.

~Why did he not just pay the 70k and avoid all this?

You are missing a big part of the story. He and the other ranchers did pay their fees until the BLM decided to limit the number of cattle to 160 head per ranch in the area in 1993, a number can not sustain, let alone have a profit, any cattle business. In 1998 the BLM banned all grazing in the area. The other ranchers complied and were forced out of business. He resisted. That is based on the inforation I have found.

~He had been warned.
 
So was Occupy


~Non payment of taxes.
 
first I have heard of this, please cite.

~Avoiding taxes by conducting business in cash.

first I heard of this, please cite.


~There is a difference between civil disobedience and lawlessness.

not really.

I am sorry but IMO he is in the wrong.
I didn't say he was right or wrong. I simply said that MSNBC's problem with him had more to do with him being the wrong industry/religion/maybe voter registration.

Nicely done, oh person who is not a VRWC mole!

ellenfl (8,540 posts)
6. if he's losing his business and home, it's his fault. if he'd kept his cattle off

public lands, he wouldn't have any problem. i can't use my condo common areas as i see fit. no one can use public lands as they see fit, if it is against the law. occupy went to jail for a short term sit-in. how much jail time has bundy spent with his 20 year defiance and theft of our collective asset?

we live by the rule of law. breaking it has consequences. just ask occupy.

 

[Carl]

The 2nd Amendment has put the fear of God in their hearts.
Guess what DUmbasses...your leftist revolution won`t last a day.

[Crazy Horse]

ellenfl (8,540 posts)

we live by the rule of law. breaking it has consequences. just ask occupy.

Medical marijuana, recreational use of marijuana, not following mandatory sentencing, not deporting the illegals, DOMA, NSA....

Do I really need to point out your flaw?

[Dori]

we live by the rule of law. breaking it has consequences. just ask occupy.

Your comparing rape, theft, property destruction, public nuisance, drunkenness and illegal drug use to some cows eating scrub out in the middle of nowhere?

Gee I sure don't remember the occupoopers being rounded up by helicopters and snipers.

If the Feds put that much effort on the border, we wouldn't be having all the drug/human trafficking, murderers, rapists, OTMs and terrorists sneaking across.

[Karin]

Even Nuclear Unicorn recognizes that this "lawlessness" stance rings hollow in light of this administration, including Eric Holder, of the Department of Just-Us. 

 

[Happy Fun Ball]

[NHSparky]

Which leads me to consider--since when did the BLM have the right to come in, take 90 percent of a state, and call it "federal property"?

So much for due process.

[Wineslob]

Which leads me to consider--since when did the BLM have the right to come in, take 90 percent of a state, and call it "federal property"?

So much for due process.

And States Rights.

[Skul]

Which leads me to consider--since when did the BLM have the right to come in, take 90 percent of a state, and call it "federal property"?

So much for due process.

They needed a place to touch off really big firecrackers.
Quietly.

[dandi]

And States Rights.

The 10th Amendment is another one of those pesky Bill Of Rights thingies the DUmmies have utter disdain for, along with the 2nd Amendment.

[Skul]

The 10th Amendment is another one of those pesky Bill Of Rights thingies the DUmmies have utter disdain for, along with the 2nd Amendment.

They're happy with the fourth as long as it only applies to them.
All others, need not apply.

[jctejas]

wow did not think of that the cattle are only "undocumented" grazers trying to promote a better cow family life.      they are performing acts of love on federal land.   the cows must have amnesty.
  they  should not be penalized and should be given government assistance in vet care, food and housing.  this care should be given by raising taxes on food so that cows should not have to eaten by anyone and worshiped as in india.    taxes must also be raised on  any type of grain which a cow could rightfully eat and which may go to liberal  vegan kitchens.  the war on cows by the uncaring left "wingers" must stop.   

 the only way to stop the war on cows is to remove harry ried and all his vegan food eating liberal friends from office
jctejasy

[Skul]

wow did not think of that the cattle are only "undocumented" grazers trying to promote a better cow family life.      they are performing acts of love on federal land.   the cows must have amnesty.
  they  should not be penalized and should be given government assistance in vet care, food and housing.  this care should be given by raising taxes on food so that cows should not have to eaten by anyone and worshiped as in india.    taxes must also be raised on  any type of grain which a cow could rightfully eat and which may go to liberal  vegan kitchens.  the war on cows by the uncaring left "wingers" must stop.   

 the only way to stop the war on cows is to remove harry ried and all his vegan food eating liberal friends from office
jctejasy

That's just silly.
Makes no sense at all.
You sound like a DUmpmonkey trying to advocate things that don't exist.

[BlueStateSaint]

That's just silly.
Makes no sense at all.
You sound like a DUmpmonkey trying to advocate things that don't exist.

Yup.  H5.

[DUKOTA]

Oh I used to have some good ones with suckular motion before being banned after nearly ten years for trolling.  He/she/it is a complete moron that never posts any comments, not even in its own posts.  Just copies and pastes it's daily google dumps.

[Dori]

Really?  I don't see dumpmonkey here.


http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,92145.msg1151435.html#msg1151435

[Airwolf]

If it was the first time the feds were trying to prove a point they were  wrong on then maybe most of us would be willing to give then the benefit of the doubt then again, The US Government has a long and storied history of not only taking from people who were here before most of our ancestors but they have used their own rules like a huge hammer to take from anyone they see in their way. In fact a recent Supreme Court ruling over imminent domain gave Government more power to do so. there is a guy in Wyoming I think that is being hassled over his land because of the private road and land his ranch sits on is located in an area surrounded by Government owned land and they want that too.

Face it DUmmies.  If you haven't figured it out by now,the Government is not your friend anymore then it is ours when it acts in this manner towards the people it is meant to serve. They are not our Lords an Masters and I for one do not recognize that kind of authority they seem to think they have. Those lands in Nevada were owned and taken care of by Bundys family for years before the BLM became the entity it is and they don't have the right to just come in and grab it from Mr. Bundy. And even if the claim of them protecting the Desert Tortise was valid they need to face the fact they probably killed far more of them then most of the people living there when they set of those nukes
 in the 1950's.
 

[jctejas]

was trryyinnggg to be facetious