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Offline Ralph Wiggum

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We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« on: October 29, 2013, 04:05:12 PM »
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We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist.


Let's leave discussions of electoral viability out of this. They aren't the point.

And let's be clear...I mean a Marxist, not a Marxist-Leninist(the term Stalin invented to turn his bloodsoaked perversion of Marx and Lenin's ideas-not that Lenin was a saint, but he wasn't THAT much of a psycho compared to "Uncle Joe" and his acolytes), a person who agrees with Marx's original call for a genuinely socialist and genuinely DEMOCRATIC society).

If Obama was a Marxist, and had an actual legislative majority in place to carry out his program, we'd have

1)A fuil-employment economy:

2)A properly funded social welfare system for those who did end up needing help(especially children, the elderly, and the physically and mentally challenged)INCLUDING a universal public healthcare program

3)A foreign policy based on peace and reconciliation rather than "defending our 'national interests'"(which are always simply the interests of the rich)

4)Democratic control of the means of production and democratic workplace management(with co-ops as part of the deal)

5)Access for all to the means of artistic creation and personal self-expression.

That's what we'd have if Obama was ACTUALLY a Marxist.

What's not to like?

(And, if he were actually a Muslim, at least we wouldn't have usury...)

Just thought it should be said.
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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2013, 04:08:19 PM »
I think it is beginning to dawn on some of the less dense DUmmies that dear leader is a Stalinist and their days are numbered.
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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2013, 04:09:59 PM »
That's always the argument, what has been tried before is not real true communism.  

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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2013, 04:25:24 PM »
I was taught by my parents at a very early age what this political notion of Utopia was and how it was great until it crossed paths with human nature.

Marxism will always end up where Stalin,Mao,Castro,Hugo etc took it.
Only at the point of a sword or barrel of a gun can shared misery be enforced.
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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2013, 04:26:35 PM »
Quote from: Ralph Wiggum on October 29, 2013, 04:05:12 PM
Oh...my...lord...the stupidity.....it burns!!!!!!

It really does.  For (D)Ummies, they have to choose the least psycho of all the psychos they adore, because emotions.

"Honestly, if we elect this least psycho guy, it'll work this time, fer sher."

Idiots.
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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2013, 04:33:34 PM »
I want Marxism! Not the type of Marxism that was actually Marxism, Marxism. But Marxism the way to was supposed to be Marxism. That Marxism. Even though the only examples of Marxism we have is the bad Marxism, I still believe Marxism is possible. Good Marxism.

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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2013, 04:34:45 PM »
Quote from: jukin on October 29, 2013, 04:09:59 PM
That's always the argument, what has been tried before is not real true communism.

Insanity def. =  

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Communism would work if we only had the right benevolent dictator.
 

They, not just the (D)Ummies, don't even hide it anymore.
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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2013, 04:37:49 PM »
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What's not to like?

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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2013, 04:39:07 PM »
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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2013, 05:14:43 PM »
Marx was an elitist, lazy and sloven hypocrite that lived off of other people.  He and his family were mostly supported by his wife's inheritance and money given to him from his friend Engels' family business, a manufacturing company that he hated.



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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2013, 05:20:17 PM »
Quote from: Ralph Wiggum on October 29, 2013, 04:05:12 PM
Oh...my...lord...the stupidity.....it burns!!!!!!
But democrat social programs lessen the burn to a point that no lesson is learned from the burning....in other words, the stoopids will still grab any shiny, white hot item the democrats throw out there.
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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2013, 05:31:06 PM »
Quote from: Dori on October 29, 2013, 05:14:43 PM
Marx was an elitist, lazy and sloven hypocrite that lived off of other people.  He and his family were mostly supported by his wife's inheritance and money given to him from his friend Engels' family business, a manufacturing company that he hated.

He would be a DUmmy if he was alive today.
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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2013, 05:47:53 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on October 29, 2013, 05:31:06 PM
He would be a DUmmy if he was alive today.

No, he'd be a dimocrat Senator from some blue hell hole.
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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2013, 05:49:19 PM »
Quote from: BadCat on October 29, 2013, 05:47:53 PM
No, he'd be a dimocrat Senator from some blue hell hole.
....and probably drive drunk over bridges.
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"America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within."  Stalin

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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2013, 05:54:30 PM »
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5. Why a "full-employment economy?" That's crazy.

With automation, simply speaking, a small minority of people can accomplish all the work that needs to be done. For example, in a few years there won't be human taxi drivers. Individuals perform tasks that occupied huge masses, and that power is growing exponentially.

Moreover, to create unnecessary tasks to employ people, will lead to destruction of resources that we, as a society, will need to preserve.

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Tue Oct 29, 2013, 05:37 PM

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6. because of the damage unemployment does to people.

Also, we could find a way to make sure that, if mundane tasks could be taken care of by machines or 'bots, that everyone would be paid to do work that was actually creative and fulfilling.



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11. Unemployment doesn't damage people. Being broke does.

A society organized with automation in mind, and with people's basic needs fulfilled, will not have to worry much about dreaming up busy-work for them.

The problem with work is it's destructive. And there won't be enough to go around. Although in some sense, we aren't too far apart either. 

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Tue Oct 29, 2013, 05:59 PM

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13. drudging, disrespected, meaningless work is destructive.


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If not work, than at least everybody would be given the chance to actually put their efforts into what they genuinely feel to be their own true purpose in life(something that never happened in any Marxist-Leninist society, btw, which is why what I'm saying here is nothing in common with any endorsement of the Soviet era).

The real point is, no one would be discarded and disrespected. No one would be considered valueless.

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14. I agree

Says a supposed minister about a person and ideology that in its first sentence curses and denies God. 
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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2013, 05:58:30 PM »
".....everyone would be paid to do work that was actually creative and fulfilling."

That's DUmmie for, "I want a huge salary for counting stars.....during the day because I find it creative and fulfilling."
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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2013, 06:59:37 PM »
Quote from: BadCat on October 29, 2013, 05:47:53 PM
No, he'd be a dimocrat Senator from some blue hell hole.

Same thing.
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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2013, 07:07:45 PM »
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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2013, 10:56:45 PM »
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3)A foreign policy based on peace and reconciliation rather than "defending our 'national interests'"(which are always simply the interests of the rich)

Yet every totalitarian government seems bent on domination of other countries.
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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2013, 11:09:45 PM »
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We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist.

Where to start, DUmmy...



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Re: We'd be better off if Obama WAS a Marxist
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2013, 05:48:32 AM »
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