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« on: October 17, 2013, 08:13:08 AM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023864395

Oh my.

It's a big campfire, burning fiercely, as the primitives wiggle-waggle their armpits in hate-filled indignation.

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cui bono (8,701 posts)    Wed Oct 16, 2013, 04:12 PM

Why We Did Not Win and the Dangers of Saying We Did

First of all, we didn't win. All we get is for government to continue as it is supposed to, some normalcy in governance. But what is in the bill being passed is a budget with sequestration. A bill with less spending than Ryan's budget. And the sequestration was meant to be something horrid that no one would want to resort to, something to force a reasonable negotiation, but it didn't work so it was implemented. However, once the DC elite realized it was going to affect their flights they voted to fund air traffic controllers. So really, the consequences were never completely felt and the sequestration remains as if it is how things should be.
 
The Dems wanted to be able to negotiate away the pain of the sequestration this time around but they never got the chance. The Republicans wouldn't really negotiate, then they backed out of an agreement and went with the Tea Party faction with their demands to stop the ACA. So because of this drama we ended up right where we started as far as the budget is concerned.
 
However, many, many people have been hurt by this. They have not gotten paychecks, crab is sitting at a closed port, our country's rating with Fitch is being reevaluated which will most likely result in higher interest rates for us... a lot of people will suffer because of this. Federal workers/jobs will most likely be diminished by this. They keep taking the hit with no pay raises, furloughs etc... people are going to stop wanting those jobs. Then as the work force dwindles, the programs suffer and the Republicans can say the government isn't working and fight to privatize, which is what they really want.
 
And we only get a temporary extension, so we might just have to do this all over again. This is no way to govern. It is not a win.
 
Secondly, by calling it a win we are continuing this absurd politics as team sport idea. This is terrible for the nation. We should not back anyone just because of what team they are on, we should back them because of their ideas and policies.
 
And when we prticipate in the team sport mentality we are buying into the media's portrayal of events, a protrayal that is designed to raise profits for them by enabling them to make more money in advertising dollars. It's in their interest to have two teams, two sides, so that they can "report" the play by play action and have increased viewership from people tuning in to see what the "score" is and if they missed any good action. That is why the media puts forth this false equivalency. For money.
 
What I fear will happen if we keep saying we won and if we gloat about it and rub the Republicans faces in this is that they will become that much more determined to "win" the next time around and we are just going to go through this again after the new year. Because when you set something up as a win or lose situation, the loser always wants to come back stronger and win the next game.
 
And this is not a game.

And we did not win.

No point in bringing over any primitive comments; it's easy to imagine what they've said.
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Re: ooops
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2013, 08:18:10 AM »
My guess is that over the next few days there will be far more people join the Tea Party then sign up for odumbocare.
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Re: ooops
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2013, 08:19:06 AM »
Quote from: Carl on October 17, 2013, 08:18:10 AM
My guess is that over the next few days there will be far more people join the Tea Party then sign up for odumbocare.

No way.

You're sure only six or seven people are going to sign up for the Tea Party?
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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2013, 08:19:55 AM »
Quote from: franksolich on October 17, 2013, 08:19:06 AM
No way.

You're sure only six or seven people are going to sign up for the Tea Party?

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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2013, 08:21:59 AM »
sequestration....ain't duh baby daddy of that malformed collection of cells Obama and the democrats.
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Re: ooops
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2013, 09:04:47 AM »
If the primitives were intelligent -- I know, a big IF -- they would demand that Dear Leader submit a budget. As long as he can do this CR thing, then the likelihood of him chipping away at their precious entitlements (as they view it) will continue.

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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2013, 09:20:02 AM »
Looks like DUmmie cui bono is having one of those all-too-rare lucid moments.
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2013, 09:24:22 AM »
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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2013, 09:56:21 AM »
Someone had to stir the pot.  :lmao: :rotf: :rofl:

Let them celebrate all they want.
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Re: ooops
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2013, 10:00:14 AM »
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4. We DID win

Any time we can get this Congress to do it's duty then Democracy wins. That's us, the Democrats pulling the Fascists (aka the repiggies) along. And they clearly lost. Don't go making it complicated,

If I had a nickle for every time a stupid DUmbass posts something showing it doesn't understand the term Fascism, I could buy the Caribbean.
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2013, 10:04:44 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on October 17, 2013, 10:00:14 AM
If I had a nickle for every time a stupid DUmbass posts something showing it doesn't understand the term Fascism, I could buy the Caribbean.

I've still got that piece I wrote back in 05 explaining it in Barney Style for the libs...think I should post it again for the Lurkers?
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Re: ooops
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2013, 10:34:21 AM »
Quote from: txradioguy on October 17, 2013, 10:04:44 AM
I've still got that piece I wrote back in 05 explaining it in Barney Style for the libs...think I should post it again for the Lurkers?

By all means, yes.
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2013, 10:48:15 AM »
Quote from: txradioguy on October 17, 2013, 10:04:44 AM
I've still got that piece I wrote back in 05 explaining it in Barney Style for the libs...think I should post it again for the Lurkers?

Abso-expletive deleted-lutely, tx.
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Re: ooops
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2013, 01:42:20 PM »
Quote from: USA4ME on October 17, 2013, 09:04:47 AM
If the primitives were intelligent -- I know, a big IF -- they would demand that Dear Leader submit a budget. As long as he can do this CR thing, then the likelihood of him chipping away at their precious entitlements (as they view it) will continue.

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Obama submitted a budget last year and it didn't even receive a single vote in the Dem senate.
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2013, 01:49:32 PM »
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The Republicans wouldn't really negotiate,

Yep you got that right!!!!!11111!!!!!elebinty

Obama: "I will not negotiate!"
Boehner: "We want the president to talk with us."

They truly are mentally ill.
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Re: ooops
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2013, 05:21:12 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on October 17, 2013, 09:20:02 AM
Looks like DUmmie cui bono is having one of those all-too-rare lucid moments.

Indeed. You got you debt limit increase, and very little you can do with it because of Obama's sequester.

The only real way to make that go away is for Dingy Harry to pass some house budgets. To bad, DUmbos.


PS - Good luck on immigration. Unless Obama threatens to default over illegals, it ain't happening anytime soon.
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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2013, 05:40:15 PM »
Quote from: miskie on October 17, 2013, 05:21:12 PM
PS - Good luck on immigration. Unless Obama threatens to default over illegals, it ain't happening anytime soon.

I think they will have a better chance with immigration.  A lot of Republicans are on board with that.  They only need a few Republicans to get it passed.



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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2013, 06:45:10 AM »
Quote from: Dori on October 17, 2013, 05:40:15 PM
I think they will have a better chance with immigration.  A lot of Republicans are on board with that.  They only need a few Republicans to get it passed.





I don't think so, because of the perceived 'defeat'. Many conservative voters are pissed off right now, and there will be many unemployed RINOs come January 2015 if they choose to capitulate again. - RINOs love money and power - losing it to Dems, or worse yet - the dreaded Tea Party - should be enough to keep them in line at least through the end of the year. 
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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2013, 07:01:39 AM »
Quote from: miskie on October 18, 2013, 06:45:10 AM
I don't think so, because of the perceived 'defeat'. Many conservative voters are pissed off right now, and there will be many unemployed RINOs come January 2015 if they choose to capitulate again. - RINOs love money and power - losing it to Dems, or worse yet - the dreaded Tea Party - should be enough to keep them in line at least through the end of the year. 

I just hope Lindsey Graham and John Mccain are the first two out the door.
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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2013, 07:38:27 AM »
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All we get is for government to continue as it is supposed to

Memo, DUmmies:

Government is NOT supposed to be inefficient, bloated, and tyrannical.  FYI.
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