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Oxford restaurant refuses veteran's service dog, unleashes boycott
http://www.telegram.com/article/20130826/NEWS/308269607/1116

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OXFORD — When Russell Ireland tossed a retired Air Force veteran and his Jack Russell terrier service dog out of his Big I's restaurant on Saturday, he had no idea of the trouble he'd unleashed.

But by Monday night, Mr. Ireland was hoarse from answering telephone calls, many of which included threats from people who promised to burn down his Main Street restaurant, kill him or run him out of town.

A Facebook page calling for a boycott of his breakfast and lunch diner-style restaurant had more than 7,000 subscribers within 10 hours. Folks posting there plan a peaceful demonstration, with service dogs and motorcycles, on Saturday morning.

The whole ordeal has left Mr. Ireland moving between emotions, defending his decision and breaking down over the strong reactions people have had.

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Re: Oxford restaurant refuses veteran's service dog, unleashes boycott
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2013, 08:13:57 PM »
Oxford restaurant refuses veteran's service dog, unleashes boycott
http://www.telegram.com/article/20130826/NEWS/308269607/1116

There is something called Americans With Disability Act.

The guy has a good case for being the new owner of the restaurant.

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Re: Oxford restaurant refuses veteran's service dog, unleashes boycott
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2013, 03:44:58 AM »
One of the problems is there are a lot of people abusing the service dog eligibility and it's making business owners and managers skeptical. Our local grocery store had an incident with a large dog in their produce department.

I've been to places where people put ankle biting "service dogs" on the same counter that food is being served on when they pay. It's pretty gross. I think here in the Southwest people like to take their dogs everywhere and not run the a/c at home or the pet can't be left alone. Some people even have the dogs in casinos. Some have generic looking patches sewn on the dog's vest that reads "service animal" and others actually have some type of government issued ID.

I'm not saying the guy in Oxford was right for refusing service, but this service dog bullshit is getting out of hand. There are also people that don't look like they need a service dog due to having the service dog, in those cases it has my blessing.

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Re: Oxford restaurant refuses veteran's service dog, unleashes boycott
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2013, 07:14:13 AM »

One of the problems is there are a lot of people abusing the service dog eligibility and it's making business owners and managers skeptical. Our local grocery store had an incident with a large dog in their produce department.

There are people who fraudulently claim their pet is a service dog. A civilian employee at Ft Riley carried around a Chihuahua as her "stress dog", and demanding that it be accepted as a service dog. She was fired for misconduct, for falsely presenting it as a service dog (including falsifying service dog documentation).

Velvet was the first service dog certified at Ft Riley and Irwin Army Community Hospital under the Army Service Dog Policy. That woman's misconduct made Velvet's certification more difficult.

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I've been to places where people put ankle biting "service dogs" on the same counter that food is being served on when they pay. It's pretty gross. I think here in the Southwest people like to take their dogs everywhere and not run the a/c at home or the pet can't be left alone. Some people even have the dogs in casinos. Some have generic looking patches sewn on the dog's vest that reads "service animal" and others actually have some type of government issued ID.

A business owner may exclude a service animal for reasons of health, hygiene, safety, or disruption of business operations. Placing a dog on a counter or table is a hygiene hazard.

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I'm not saying the guy in Oxford was right for refusing service, but this service dog bullshit is getting out of hand. There are also people that don't look like they need a service dog due to having the service dog, in those cases it has my blessing.

Hearing dogs, seizure dogs, diabetes dogs, and PTSD dogs provide service for people who often "don't look like they need a service dog". For many handlers, the service dog is the reason you see them at all; social isolation is common among the deaf and hard of hearing, or people with PTSD or seizure disorders- including Veterans.

My attitude as a service dog handler is the same as my attitude as a lawfully armed Citizen: If I'm not welcome in a place of business, my money isn't, either. If my friends decide that their money isn't welcome at that place of business, then it's the business's loss- and I have lots of friends.

It looks like the fella in the story has lots of friends, too.
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Re: Oxford restaurant refuses veteran's service dog, unleashes boycott
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2013, 07:24:02 AM »
I know first Hand what rob said is true. My evil stepmother got her idiot poodle the service dog title. There is absolutely nothing wrong with her other then the her being a bar whore. Everyone agrees, including her, she pulled the strings so she could take the dog anywhere with her and not be rejected but she'll never admit that in any company that could be relevant to getting that license pulled and how could you she's probably done it on some bullshit emotional basis and no she's never served or any of that.  She doesn't work either so she doesn't need to worry about consequences there. I admit I'm far more skeptical of service dogs since her fraud; especially of the do in question is a toy or miniature anything.

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Re: Oxford restaurant refuses veteran's service dog, unleashes boycott
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2013, 08:02:01 AM »

Hearing dogs, seizure dogs, diabetes dogs, and PTSD dogs provide service for people who often "don't look like they need a service dog". For many handlers, the service dog is the reason you see them at all; social isolation is common among the deaf and hard of hearing, or people with PTSD or seizure disorders- including Veterans.

I agree. Part of that was my point...the person with the service dog appears fine because of the service dog. If the dog was not with them, things might be different.

 I know they are necessary, but it's also being abused. Some of these women I see with dogs on 10 foot leashes are not even paying attention to who their dog is sniffing or what it's doing when they are yacking up the gossip with someone they run into to. I seen one service dog almost get caught in an automatic door because a lady was not paying any attention to her dog. It was pissing me off! Poor dog.

I know one doctor's group that won't allow the dogs in the waiting or examination rooms any longer unless the person is blind. Everyone was showing up with dogs. It does not promote a sterile and sanitary environment. 

You provided some great information which I agree with. The example you cited of the person using a fake service dog makes it harder on those that have a legitimate need.

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Re: Oxford restaurant refuses veteran's service dog, unleashes boycott
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2013, 08:07:23 AM »
I know first Hand what rob said is true. My evil stepmother got her idiot poodle the service dog title. There is absolutely nothing wrong with her other then the her being a bar whore. Everyone agrees, including her, she pulled the strings so she could take the dog anywhere with her and not be rejected but she'll never admit that in any company that could be relevant to getting that license pulled and how could you she's probably done it on some bullshit emotional basis and no she's never served or any of that.  She doesn't work either so she doesn't need to worry about consequences there. I admit I'm far more skeptical of service dogs since her fraud; especially of the do in question is a toy or miniature anything.

Another example of abuse of the law. People from some cultures don't even like seeing pets kept indoors, let alone in stores & restaurants. Years ago I would see a seeing eye dog once a year. Now I see four or five service dogs a week. Some of these people I know several things about. If all of the medication they are taking is not working, I doubt the dog will help. In fact as overmedicated as they are, I doubt they are taking proper care of the animal. It's sad.

The same people are stocking up on puppy pads so they can let their dogs piss in the house, buying bags and bags of dog treats and then make food purchases with EBT cards. Nice.

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Re: Oxford restaurant refuses veteran's service dog, unleashes boycott
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2013, 09:12:02 AM »
Another example of abuse of the law. People from some cultures don't even like seeing pets kept indoors, let alone in stores & restaurants. Years ago I would see a seeing eye dog once a year. Now I see four or five service dogs a week. Some of these people I know several things about. If all of the medication they are taking is not working, I doubt the dog will help. In fact as overmedicated as they are, I doubt they are taking proper care of the animal. It's sad.

The same people are stocking up on puppy pads so they can let their dogs piss in the house, buying bags and bags of dog treats and then make food purchases with EBT cards. Nice.

This too much, all dogs are service dogs.   Who the heck are we to say that any dog isn't. 

Only people I can think of who object to service dogs are the Muslims that fear them more then pigs.

Anyone for any reason needs a dog , the ADA comes in here. Federal act that allows a service dog to go anywhere the owner is allowed to.   There are laws that also say that the dog must behave themselves and not cause concern for the safety of the public.

One can train their own dog to be of service if they wish, depends on the needs of the person.  A medical service dog to detect fluctuations in sugar in diabetics, a dog to detect an up coming seizure
 dogs trained to note an irregular heart beat  cost, over $20,000 ------Some of us luck out and have an untrained dog that saves our lives.

Me, I had a Rottie rescue dog  that out of the blue began to lick my leg in just one spot. Really annoyed me but the dog was fixated on that one place on my calf just below the knee.    One day the dog for no reason ran full bore into my leg with her cement block head and I had to go to the ER for X rays. No broken bone but a big tumor growing on the bone.     I ended up in Boston General under the care of the Oncologists scared out of my mind.  Fortunately it was not Cancer the tumor removed and a large pin and  some ones bone placed in to hold it all together. 

My Dog saved my leg, had I not had this dog that I adopted on a whim, as thin as the bone was getting from the tumor munching its way without pain, not to my knowledge, I would have lost that leg in 2 years.

I am told it is the smell, dogs pick up on changes in a human body and react to them.  When nervous dogs react to the smell and cuddle, when afraid dogs pick up the cent of fear and either go to protect their master no matter how big or small.

Only civilization on earth that does not value the Dog is the Muslims, this will be their downfall eventually, some where someone will take the dogs of war into a Muslim compound and turn them loose,     this is what I expect so many are afraid of.
         

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Re: Oxford restaurant refuses veteran's service dog, unleashes boycott
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2013, 02:18:16 PM »
My mother's cat of 18 year actually woke my her up one morning. My mom's blood sugar was dangerously low. My mom could feel the cat and the cat did not give up. My mom finally woke up, feeling weak, checked her blood sugar and quickly found something to eat. My mom was very lucky.

Of course my mother did not take the cat everywhere she went. The cat did not go into restaurants and grocery stores. It stayed at home.