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cboy4  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-19-08 06:14 AM
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I'm trying to figure out whether to disregard a cruel policy about donating blood, and participate for the first time in my company blood drive this weekend.......by lying.

Since I'm gay, I'm banned from donating for life because I'm apparently a huge risk. A bigger risk than straight people who sleep around, even though I'm perfectly healthy.

This horrible prohibition has been in place since 1983, even though:

"New and improved tests, which can detect HIV-positive donors within just 10 to 21 days of infection, make the lifetime ban unnecessary, the blood groups told the FDA. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18827137 /

I'd like to donate so I can help others, and I want to be on the National Blood Marrow Donor Program so maybe I can help save someone's life.

It brings me so much joy helping people.

But I'm not wanted because I'm gay. It's so mean.

If I answer my paperwork honestly, I'll be told my blood is dangerous.

I don't think it's fair, especially since there are so many straight people who are at risk.

So now I don't know whether to fib to help. Sigh.

after which an ostensible photograph of the primitive, ostensibly the primitive himself

CAUTION: DEADLY CBOY GAY BLOOD. RUN!

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What is FDA's policy on blood donations from men who have sex with other men (MSM)?

Men who have had sex with other men, at any time since 1977 (the beginning of the AIDS epidemic in the United States) are currently deferred as blood donors. This is because MSM are, as a group, at increased risk for HIV, hepatitis B and certain other infections that can be transmitted by transfusion.

The policy is not unique to the United States. Many European countries have recently reexamined both the science and ethics of the lifetime MSM deferral, and have retained it (See the transcript of the "FDA Workshop on Behavior-Based Donor Deferrals in the NAT Era" at http://www.fda.gov/cber/minutes/nat030806t.htm#7 for further information.). This decision is also consistent with the prevailing interpretation of the European Union Directive 2004/33/EC article 2.1 on donor deferrals.

http://69.20.19.211/cber/faq/msmdonor.htm

Oh my.

If Europe has such a policy, and Europe is so enlightened as compared with us, what's the beef?

Anyway.

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Heidi  DU Moderator Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-19-08 06:30 AM
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1. I agree with you that it's a discriminatory policy, but is there a criminal penalty if they find out you've lied on the form?

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cboy4  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-19-08 07:07 AM
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3. I'm sure you can face perjury charges for lying about federal regulation, but I just wonder how the government can prove someone is in violation?

It's really frustrating.

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Heidi  DU Moderator Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-19-08 07:10 AM
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4. Don't wanna see you get in trouble, but it's been a helluva long time since gay men were the fastest growing segment of HIV infection, and I believe bigotry is at the heart of this antiquated policy.

An antiquated policy used in Europe, and since Europe is so much more enlightened than us, what's the beef?

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UndertheOcean  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-19-08 06:48 AM
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2. I say go for it , lying to bypass an immoral law is not immoral

Hmmm.

What if the subterranean sea primitive needs blood?

One suspects the subterranean sea primitive would demand only "guaranteed 100% safe" blood.

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WillowTree  (948 posts) Thu Jun-19-08 07:17 AM
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5. A lie is a lie. No matter why you tell it.

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cboy4  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-19-08 07:25 AM
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6. How would you feel if someone who needed blood during a holiday period -- when there are traditionally major shortages -- died all because a gay person wasn't allowed to donate?

You'd rather have a prostitute's blood rather than my perfectly healthy blood?

I don't get it.

And your answer is very mean by the way.

Well, he does have a valid point there, although one questions the healthiness of his own blood.

It might be okay, it might not be, and best to be safe.

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WillowTree  (948 posts) Thu Jun-19-08 07:30 AM
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7. No meanness intended I assure you, and I do sympathize with how you feel about this.
   
I just don't condone dishonesty. It kind of goes back to the old "two wrongs not making a right" thing.

But apparently when you posted your thread you were only looking for responses that will validate what you want to do. So be it.

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cboy4  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-19-08 07:49 AM
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8. Well, I can tell this Willow Tree.....if lying on an application about blood donation helped save the life of someone, it's astonishing you'd have a problem with it.

And in fact, I doubt you'd have a problem with it if it affected you or your family.

By the way, if you don't condone dishonesty, I'm guessing you don't exceed the posted speed limit??

I just think a healthy person lying to donate blood to help others is as minor an "offense" as can be.

Provided of course the "healthy" person can prove the blood is healthy.

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Re: primitive wants right to donate possibly contaminated blood
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2008, 07:22:25 AM »
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6. How would you feel if someone who needed blood during a holiday period -- when there are traditionally major shortages -- died all because a gay person wasn't allowed to donate?

You'd rather have a prostitute's blood rather than my perfectly healthy blood?

I don't get it.

And your answer is very mean by the way.

This part is so feminine. I would imagine that his co workers know he's gay. If he were spotted giving blood, it would be a WTF moment.
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Re: primitive wants right to donate possibly contaminated blood
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2008, 07:23:18 AM »
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cboy4  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-19-08 07:25 AM
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6. How would you feel if someone who needed blood during a holiday period -- when there are traditionally major shortages -- died all because a gay person wasn't allowed to donate?

You'd rather have a prostitute's blood rather than my perfectly healthy blood?

I don't get it.

And your answer is very mean by the way.

This part is so feminine. I would imagine that his co workers know he's gay. If he were spotted giving blood, it would be a WTF moment.

The primitive's studying to become a fireman, by the way.

He lives in California, near you know what city.
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Re: primitive wants right to donate possibly contaminated blood
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2008, 07:36:37 AM »
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cboy4  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-19-08 07:25 AM
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6. How would you feel if someone who needed blood during a holiday period -- when there are traditionally major shortages -- died all because a gay person wasn't allowed to donate?

You'd rather have a prostitute's blood rather than my perfectly healthy blood?

I don't get it.

And your answer is very mean by the way.

Unless I'm mistaken, hookers are prohibited as well.
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Re: primitive wants right to donate possibly contaminated blood
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2008, 07:40:01 AM »
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6. How would you feel if someone who needed blood during a holiday period -- when there are traditionally major shortages -- died all because a gay person wasn't allowed to donate?

You'd rather have a prostitute's blood rather than my perfectly healthy blood?

I don't get it.

And your answer is very mean by the way.

This part is so feminine. I would imagine that his co workers know he's gay. If he were spotted giving blood, it would be a WTF moment.

The primitive's studying to become a fireman, by the way.

He lives in California, near you know what city.

He wants to play with a big hose. :hammer: :hammer: No. I didn't say that. :hammer:
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Re: primitive wants right to donate possibly contaminated blood
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2008, 07:41:27 AM »
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But I'm not wanted because I'm gay. It's so mean.

No, pillow biter, it's not because you are "gay", it's because you have a hedonistic and dangerous lifestyle that puts you at much greater risk to receive an Anally Injected Death Sentence and the authorities are trying their best to make sure you don't infect an innocent person.

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Re: primitive wants right to donate possibly contaminated blood
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2008, 07:47:06 AM »
Problem is people infected with HIV often do not know they are infected. Can take up to ten years. This group of people are seriously displaying narcacisstic qualities. They know the risks of homosexual sex, they know what AIDS can and has done to the population they know the primary way to transfer aids is thorough body fluids and yet, and yet, they still demand the "right" to give blood. Sorry buddy, your perceived "right" this time is to bloody risky!

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Re: primitive wants right to donate possibly contaminated blood
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2008, 08:10:32 AM »
You know, there's other primitives at that bonfire who think it's okay.

But I'm still wondering if any of those primitives who think it's okay, would be willing to accept questionable blood if they themselves needed it.

Of course, these are primitives; as long as it happens to someone else, it's okay--but it damned well better not happen to them.
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Re: primitive wants right to donate possibly contaminated blood
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2008, 08:52:38 AM »
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By the way, if you don't condone dishonesty, I'm guessing you don't exceed the posted speed limit??

Love the way the DUmmie deflects here.  The willowprimitive was correct....the OP only wanted validation.


There are lots of people that are restricted from donating blood....it's not just homosexuals.   If people answer the prescreening questions honestly, I bet at least 1/4 are turned away due to behavior having nothing to do with homosexuality.

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Re: primitive wants right to donate possibly contaminated blood
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2008, 08:57:32 AM »
If he were "really" concerned about helping others, he'd already know the answer to his question.

I think he knows the answer but it's got to be about rights and furthering the 'homo' agenda, public safety be damned.
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Re: primitive wants right to donate possibly contaminated blood
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2008, 10:10:51 AM »
For the love of pete!  There is a long list of people who are banned from ever giving blood again.  I was a regular donor until I got Hepatitis A in 2003.  Hepatitis A is the good one that only last in your system for a couple of weeks.  However, because of permanent liver damage I got from taking massive amounts of tylenol while I was undiagnosed and very sick I can never give blood again.   And if you lived a long time in Europe you are banned too.  WHY?  Because of their lax blood collection/transfusion procedures.

A drug addict from 10 years ago is banned. 

Someone from Haiti is banned. 

If you have had blood transfusions in other countries you are banned.

If you have had cancer you are banned.

If you ever received a dura mater (brain covering) transplant or human pituitary growth hormone, you are not eligible to donate. Those who have a first-degree blood relative who had Creutzfeld-Jacob disease are also not eligible to donate.

Donors with diabetes who since 1980, ever used bovine (beef) insulin made from cattle from the United Kingdom are not eligible to donate.

If you had hepatitis (inflammation of the liver) caused by a virus, or unexplained jaundice (yellow discoloration of the skin), since age 11, you are not eligible to donate blood. This includes those who had hepatitis with Cytomegalovirus (CMV), or Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV), the virus that causes Mononucleosis.

Persons who have been detained or incarcerated in a facility (juvenile detention, lockup, jail, or prison) for more than 72 consecutive hours (3 days) are deferred for 12 months from the date of last occurrence. This includes work release programs and weekend incarceration. These persons are at higher risk for exposure to infectious diseases.

You should not give blood if you have AIDS or have ever had a positive HIV test, or if you have done something that puts you at risk for becoming infected with HIV.

You are at risk for getting infected if you:

have ever used needles to take drugs, steroids, or anything not prescribed by your doctor
are a male who has had sexual contact with another male, even once, since 1977
have ever taken money, drugs or other payment for sex since 1977
have had sexual contact in the past 12 months with anyone described above
received clotting factor concentrates for a bleeding disorder such as hemophilia
were born in, or lived in, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Congo, Equatorial Guinea,Gabon, Niger, or Nigeria, since 1977.
since 1977, received a blood transfusion or medical treatment with a blood product in any of these countries, or
had sex with anyone who, since 1977, was born in or lived in any of these countries.

Those with sickle cell disease are not eligible to donate.
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Re: primitive wants right to donate possibly contaminated blood
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2008, 10:22:05 AM »
I can't donate because I received an IVIG treatment that was "possibly" tainted with  CJD (mad cow disease) back in 1998.  A woman donated to the "lot" I received and she was found to have CJD after she donated.  Disclaimer: Just because she donated to the lot does not mean I got her immunoglobulin.  I had to sign a release though, which scared the crap out of me.  I seem perfectly healthy but it can take years and years for CJD to show up.  Would cboy want to take a chance on my blood?  If he wants it I would gladly donate it to him. 

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Re: primitive wants right to donate possibly contaminated blood
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2008, 10:39:17 AM »
The predicament we are to feel bad about is that this caring wonderful human being is denied his chance to help others by arbitrary and needless rules because he just happens to be a homosexual.  We are suppose to validate this homosexual's indignity by giving in to his shallow reasoning and say out loud that it is discriminatory and ridiculous to exclude practicing homosexuals from donating blood.  

The complaining homosexual is being phony and disingenuous.

The real problem for the homosexual is that the process of blood collection for use in the medical system excludes homosexuals for a real and good reason and there is nothing the homosexual can do about it.  It is one area of society which, through rules that protect all of us, cannot be manipulated to fit the facade that homosexuality is normal and perfectly acceptable on all levels.  It requires homosexuals to face who they are and that is the greatest "sin" of all.

No, the travesty here is not that the caring and compassionate homosexual's blood is not wanted.  The travesty is the homosexual is faced with a barrier he cannot penetrate using the same convoluted arguments which win the day for him in almost every other political debate.  It is one area in which discrimination is called for based on the fact he is a homosexual.  It highlights something ugly about homosexuality, and it proves that 'discrimination' is not always an ugly word.

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Re: primitive wants right to donate possibly contaminated blood
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2008, 04:21:47 PM »
The predicament we are to feel bad about is that this caring wonderful human being is denied his chance to help others by arbitrary and needless rules because he just happens to be a homosexual.  We are suppose to validate this homosexual's indignity by giving in to his shallow reasoning and say out loud that it is discriminatory and ridiculous to exclude practicing homosexuals from donating blood. 

The complaining homosexual is being phony and disingenuous.

The real problem for the homosexual is that the process of blood collection for use in the medical system excludes homosexuals for a real and good reason and there is nothing the homosexual can do about it.  It is one area of society which, through rules that protect all of us, cannot be manipulated to fit the facade that homosexuality is normal and perfectly acceptable on all levels.  It requires homosexuals to face who they are and that is the greatest "sin" of all.

No, the travesty here is not that the caring and compassionate homosexual's blood is not wanted.  The travesty is the homosexual is faced with a barrier he cannot penetrate using the same convoluted arguments which win the day for him in almost every other political debate.  It is one area in which discrimination is called for based on the fact he is a homosexual.  It highlights something ugly about homosexuality, and it proves that 'discrimination' is not always an ugly word.

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Re: primitive wants right to donate possibly contaminated blood
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2008, 04:28:35 PM »
H5 Undies! Nailed it.

I cannot donate blood (I had epstein-barr) so I don't know what happens after it's collected. Is it tested before being used?
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Re: primitive wants right to donate possibly contaminated blood
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2008, 05:24:23 PM »
If he were "really" concerned about helping others, he'd already know the answer to his question.

I think he knows the answer but it's got to be about rights and furthering the 'homo' agenda, public safety be damned.

Exactly.  :agree: