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Offline franksolich

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Pedro Picasso being anti-farmers
« on: June 19, 2008, 09:22:14 AM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3477616

Oh my.

Pedro Picasso, the "expert" on everything and the expert on nothing.

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Atman  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-18-08 02:44 PM
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Now that half the country is flooded, do we still want to rely on CORN for fuel?
   
Never mind all the other reasons why it's lunacy to rely upon ethanol as an alternative to fossil fuels -- the pollution, the expense, the cost -- gosh, what would happen if some devastating storms came and flooded our farmlands and ruined the corn crop? What then, we switch from $4.50/gal gasoline to $5.00/ethanol AND won't be able to afford to eat anymore either?

Good deal. Not.

EDIT to add link to pics -- check out number 5. There's your dinner AND your next tankful.

Pedro Picasso can't count, either.

His link, to a CNN news story about the floods, has only 3 pictures, not 5.

By the way, franksolich is greatly confused.  Wasn't it just a short time ago--two years, a year and a half, maybe?--that the primitives were all agog and excited about ethanol?

One wonders what happened, why this volte-face, this about-face.

Suppose it has something to do with George Bush being president?

Anyway.

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cherokeeprogressive  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-18-08 02:46 PM
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1. K&R. I'm with you 100%. Food for fuel is a wildly stupid notion.

One wonders what the pawneeregressive primitive was saying two years, maybe a year and a half, ago.

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SharonRB  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-18-08 02:51 PM
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2. We need biofuels, but not corn
   
There are other things we could be using that would not affect the food supply. I'm with you on that. Corn ethanol is not the answer.

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ColbertWatcher  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-18-08 02:55 PM
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3. I don't agree with your question...   

...I think it should be: Now that half the country is flooded, will we still allow the GOP to dictate our fuel policy?

Uh, it seems to me Bela Pelosi had this plan, mentioned in April 2006, that if the Democrats got control of Congress in the mid-term elections, they'd bring down gasoline prices.

Well, the current Democrat-controlled Congress is 80% over with, done, finished, and where's the lower gasoline prices?

What's up with that?

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bamalib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-18-08 09:02 PM
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9. Neither the Democrats or the GOP is dictating fuel policy
   
Big Farm is and both parties are bowing down.

Hmmm.  The bashedlip primitive invented a new phantom, "Big Farm."

Almost rhymes with "Big Pharma."

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ColbertWatcher  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-19-08 12:13 AM
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12. LOL! I don't think that's right either.   

The GOP is dictating fuel policy, or haven't you heard about Cheney and his secret energy meetings, enron and the fact that the top players in this administration are oil people.

Sorry, some Dems may have some connections to oil, but it's no where near the level GOP is.

Dems are casual oil investors; the GOP are the illegal Enron speculating Saudi-buddies.

There is a huge difference, obvious even to people not addicted to news.

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DU9598  (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-18-08 03:02 PM
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4. Yes
   
Better than petro ... although big oil likes to spread the lie.

I dare you to eat the corn stock that goes into ethanol. Seriously, I dare you.

The DUmmie primitive has a point there, and a very good one.

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enid602  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-18-08 03:12 PM
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5. high fructose
   
I don't see why corn shortages are perceived as unavoidabvle when so much of it is used for high fructose corn syrup. Should any of that sweetener be produced now that we know the health risks?

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cloudythescribbler  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-18-08 03:20 PM
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6. Looks like, at least in the medium-longterm, algae might be more appropriate
   
In addition to being less susceptible to floods

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ladjf  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-18-08 08:54 PM
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8. Fuel from corn was a terrible idea in the first place.

Hmmm, again.  One wonders what the laddish primitive was saying two years, maybe a year and a half ago, about the matter.

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neverforget  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-18-08 09:16 PM
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10. Putting (what could be) food in our fuel is a rather dumb idea.....

Hmmmm, again.  One wonders what the primitive was saying two years, maybe a year and a half ago, about the matter.  Probably forgot.

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Hardrada  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-18-08 09:23 PM
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11. We should be putting food on our families.

The hard-driving primitive should refer to the comment by the DUmmie primitive, #4, above.
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Re: Pedro Picasso being anti-farmers
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2008, 12:43:11 PM »
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11. We should be putting food on our families.

I don't know, that sounds kind of kinky...especially if we're talking about high fructose corn syrup.

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Re: Pedro Picasso being anti-farmers
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2008, 02:01:06 PM »
Here's an excellent takedown on ethanol and the politicians -
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/04/paul-krugman-ly.html
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Re: Pedro Picasso being anti-farmers
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2008, 03:25:45 PM »
Oh wow.

I wonder if Pedro Picasso knows this, that Barry "Goldwater" Obama's one of the biggest boosters of ethanol.

Not just a booster, but a big one.
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Re: Pedro Picasso being anti-farmers
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2008, 05:16:35 PM »
The DUmmies now being against ethanol somehow reminds me of the old joke about the cantankerous old deacon who was against (or as we sometimes say in the south "agin") everything.

The deacons, knowing how the old man could be, decided to have a deacons' meeting without him. Somehow the guy found out about the meeting and showed up while it was still in progress. He wanted to know what they were discussing. They finally informed him that they were discussing ordering a chandelier for the church. The old fellow grunted and said: A chandelier? Well, I'm agin it, and I'm going to explain to you exactly why I'm agin it. First of all, can't nobody spell it. How can you order something that you can't spell? Second, if you could order it we don't have a single soul that would know how to play the thing. Finally, what the church really needs is some lights.
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Re: Pedro Picasso being anti-farmers
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2008, 08:52:11 PM »
^LOL! That sounds like Obama's campaign meetings. Ouch!
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Re: Pedro Picasso being anti-farmers
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2008, 08:56:30 PM »
The DUmmies were all for ethanol a short time ago (along with the boutique blends) because it was just something that was an alternative to oil and the eviiiillll oil companies.
There was no thought of the unitended consequense or the efficiency of it so it became the easy solution.

That is why primitives should never be in control of anything because they live on the emotion of the moment (see Obamaites) with no forethought as to the overall picture.
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