French Soldier Stabbed in Paris- DU: Stop oppressing women!... I mean Islam!

[dutch508]

Bosonic (1,439 posts)
 
French Soldier Stabbed In Neck In Paris

My only question is the guy [soldier] was not alone- he was armed- why is there not one dead Islamic ****stick?

jessie04 (288 posts)
7. Not surprising.
 
Last edited Sat May 25, 2013, 09:26 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
It's not a secret that the Muslim community has felt oppressed by the government .

It really got worse when women were forced to remove their veil despite sharia law.

Yes- oppressed muslims… GMAFB

dbackjon (3,532 posts)
8. So you are defending the oppression of women
 
Under Sharia Law?

Sharia Law has no place in a democratic modern society. No more than levicatical law has no place either

Oooo… Who will win? The Feminazis or the Islaminazis?

jessie04 (288 posts)
9. Don't be silly.
 
Of course not.

I'm against this but I can understand after years of oppression what these people must feel.

I try not to judge anyone's culture or religion.

Um… you just were…

dbackjon (3,532 posts)
12. So if someone's religion says to kill gays
 
We should not judge them?

Or the Gheyinazis…

jessie04 (288 posts)
13. I totally reject and repulsed by that.
 
I understand what you're saying.

But does that mean we can think one religion or culture is superior to another?

Wait for it…

dbackjon (3,532 posts)
18. Yes we can
 


________________________________________
Response to jessie04 (Reply #13)
Sat May 25, 2013, 06:28 PM
oberliner (22,164 posts)
19. "But does that mean we can think one religion or culture is superior to another?"
 
Last edited Sat May 25, 2013, 06:31 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
Do you really mean that question?

Edit to Add: I ask because this website is devoted to supporting people with one set of beliefs and values (Democrats, liberals, progressives) over those with a different set of beliefs and values (Republicans, conservatives, etc.).
________________________________________
Response to jessie04 (Reply #13)
Sat May 25, 2013, 06:50 PM
 Flatulo (3,979 posts)
21. Yes. Cultures that do not subjugate and kill women and gays are superior to those that do.

Oh, brother! The DUmpmonkiez ARE calling out the muslims! This won’t last.

jessie04 (288 posts)
22. OK...so you believe...
 
Last edited Sat May 25, 2013, 07:04 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
Western culture is superior to "middle east" culture?

Judeo-Christian religion is superior to Muslim/Islamic religion?


On edit...I'm not accusing....just asking based on your response.

Yes.

Flatulo (3,979 posts)
34. Your moral ambiguity towards a religion and culture that is blatantly sexist says it all. nt

They hid flat’s other post…

Gravitycollapse (1,401 posts)
49. Well deserved hide, indeed.
 
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

Mail Message
At Sun May 26, 2013, 02:21 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I am an atheist, and believe all religions are irrational. But Islam is particularly intolerant as
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=493002

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards[/url].)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

when you use words like "islam is a stain upon the world, you get very close to hate speech."

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun May 26, 2013, 02:31 AM, and the Jury voted 5-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: Bigoted hate speech. This is ugly and ignorant, and the poster shows an appalling lack of education on the subject matter. Just keep your mouth shut rather than advertising how uninformed you are. This kind of bigotry has no place on DU or among any group of civilized people.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: Debatably over the line up 'til "stain", which was definitely over the line.

Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: There's a difference between expressing disdain towards the grotesqueness of many prominent religions and disparaging entire nations, regions and peoples as unproductive, detrimental or generally useless.

One only needs to look to places like Iran to see that people and technology can grow in spite of oppressive religious forces. And one only needs to look to a plethora of heavily Christian nations to see that it is not merely Islam that oppresses.

When we consider the reported post in that context, it becomes perfectly clear that the poster has little or no idea what he or she is talking about. And then it necessarily becomes the case that his or her rhetoric is nasty, oddly ambiguous and totally unnecessary.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: I'm an atheist and I'm offended that people hide behind atheism to peddle their bigotry towards Muslims.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: Pointlessly provocative. With a not very cleverly disguised "they didn't invent the toilet the way WE did" white supremacy. Hide It.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

Thank you NOTMYMOLE for showing us!

BainsBane (9,785 posts)
50. Yes
 
I was juror number 1. I restrained myself.

DR. Bigtits speaks.

John2 (1,789 posts)
29. Islam is a religion.
 
Last edited Sat May 25, 2013, 08:44 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
Your name seems Italian? All those others you speak of are religions. What scientific discovery do you claim any religion made? Most religions are based on faith. There has been Arabs that practiced Islam contributed to science. It was even after the Persian Empire. The Arabs did conquer parts of Spain and Africa. They were also a huge part of the Ottoman Empire.

They made discoveries in such areas like medicine, astronomy and math. They made contributions to Literature and music. Examples are the contribution to optics and the discovery of how light and vision interact by reflection and refraction. They made discoveries in surgery and created a system of the first hospitals known. An Arab was known as the father of Algebra and it was Arabs that bought the Arabic numeral system to Europe like 1,2,3,4... There are many more that I can site but don't have the time.

Wait for it…

Flatulo (3,979 posts)
30. Islam is a system that governs all aspects of life, and as such, is really more than religion.
 
Most Muslims don't actually practice it this way, but many do. Sharia law is practiced in Saudi Arabia for example. Courts there draw their sentencing guidelines from the Quran, not civil law. So discrimination is enshrined in their legal system.

I believe the inventions you cite predate the founding of Islam.

Thank You!

NickB79 (9,424 posts)
87. Only 100 years ago, white supremacy was part of US culture
 
More so in some parts of the country, but generally widespread. Non-white races were viewed and treated as inferior, with no recourse under the law. Women and GLBT were treated no better. A major underpinning of this culture was justified by the religious beliefs of the time.

Fast-forward a century, and I think our current culture is far superior to the one we once had. Wouldn't you agree?

There is nothing sacred about cultures when they trample basic human rights and dignities.

Dump is full of this today! What gives?

kestrel91316 (45,441 posts)
81. It's not "oppression" to tell people to stop treating women like dirt.

Flatulo (3,979 posts)
17. If you cannot assimilate to the culture of a host nation, then you shouldn't emigrate there.
 
It's shocking how inhospitable Muslim countries are towards non-Muslims, yet they expect special treatment when they emmigrate to secular states and capitols. They're herded into Muslim enclaves in the host city/country, then try to establish Sharia law.

The elites who govern these European capitols welcome them with open arms in the name of diversity and multiculturalism, but radical Imams set up shop and call for the destruction of the host culture, usually while receiving welfare benefits from the them.

It's a bad situation. We in the USA have done a better job of assimilating our Muslim immigrants - the whole melting pot thing.

There's a controversial book on this subject, but I read it and it does make some good points.

While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from Within

Check out Wikipedia entry on this book:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/While_Europe_Slept:_How_Radical_Islam_is_Destroying_the_West_from_Within

Flats is treading on thin ice. He isn’t long for the Dump World…

Comrade Grumpy (3,465 posts)
43. That's some really reactionary shit you're peddling.
 
I suppose next you're going to tell me all about the Protocols of the Elders of Mecca. You'd be better off marching with your buddies in England.

Come on Flats. No poking the sacred Dump cow.

Ken Burch (31,264 posts)
31. All the more reason for everyone in Europe to get out of the Middle East.
 
We have no right to be there. We NEVER had any right to be there. Our presence in all of those places was always reactionary and greed-based.

Just bring them all home already. It's time for imperialism to end-forever.

Ken is the DUmb

 

Ken Burch (31,264 posts)
36. It's all tied to the rage the Western neo-colonialist, neo-Crusader presence in Afghanistan and Iraq
 
is taken by Muslim people.

It's wrong that this soldier was stabbed, but the blood is on the hands of the entire power structure.

And things like this will likely keep happening as long as the West doesn't do the sane thing and leave.

Ken got DUmber.

wellspring (64 posts)
42. Hey. Stop criticizing Europistan.
 
If they can chop off people's heads in the Middle East, why not in Europe?

Like, let's say you're just walking along in England minding your own business innocently chopping somebody's head off in broad daylight like a normal person and then along comes some:

intolerant person

getting on your case and telling you that you aren't allowed to do that.

Sheesh! What an intolerant person.

I mean, that head chopper is innocent until proven guilty. THAT means he's innocent. After all. It's not as if he had blood all over his hands.......

We shouldn't even call it terror. That's just semantics! It should be treated as just a routine police matter as everyone knows.

CLEARER. HEADS. MUST. PREVAIL.

(If you still have one....)

Sarcasm?

jessie04 (288 posts)
64. And people wonder ...
 
why the Islamic community in France feels oppressed?

This is why France will ultimately collapse.

[Rebel]

Comrade Grumpy (3,465 posts)
43. That's some really reactionary shit you're peddling.
 
I suppose next you're going to tell me all about the Protocols of the Elders of Mecca. You'd be better off marching with your buddies in England.

E-E-EDL! E-E-EDL!!!

Wish I was there. 

[thundley4]

jessie04 (288 posts)
9. Don't be silly.
 
Of course not.

I'm against this but I can understand after years of oppression what these people must feel.

I try not to judge anyone's culture or religion.

Let the Muslims go back to their shithole Islamist countries if they don't like it in a western country.  No, instead they try and inflict their stone age culture on the countries they invade.

[Rebel]

Ken Burch (31,264 posts)
31. All the more reason for everyone in Europe to get out of the Middle East.
 
We have no right to be there. We NEVER had any right to be there. Our presence in all of those places was always reactionary and greed-based.

Sure. Can we send all the subhuman cave dwellars back?

Just bring them all home already. It's time for imperialism to end-forever.

And that is EXACTLY what the cult of Islam is doing. Conquering. Western nations aren't going in conquering MuzzRat nations. We left Kuwait. We left Kosovo. We left Somalia. We left Iraq. We'll be leaving Afghanistan. They, however, want to take us down from within.

You Dumb ****er.

[hillneck]

It's beyond me how the DUmmies can take up for Islam so much,  when in Sharia law they would be the first to go.

[vesta111]

My only question is the guy [soldier] was not alone- he was armed- why is there not one dead Islamic ****stick?
Yes- oppressed Muslim's GMAFB
Oooo… Who will win? The Feminazis or the Islaminazis?

Um… you just were…

Or the Gheyinazis…


Wait for it…




Oh, brother! The DUmpmonkiez ARE calling out the muslims! This won’t last.
Yes.

They hid flat’s other post…


Thank you NOTMYMOLE for showing us!
DR. Bigtits speaks.

Wait for it…

Thank You!

Dump is full of this today! What gives?


Flats is treading on thin ice. He isn’t long for the Dump World…
Come on Flats. No poking the sacred Dump cow.
Ken is the DUmb

 
Ken got DUmber.
Sarcasm?

If the people of the world thought they had a problem with Hitler, and his genocide,  for some reason the cave people 80 years ago with the technology they had then, just hang on here, these people that demand they fight using technology others built and pressure cookers just may in time take us all out.

Fortunately it may be the woman that are westernized that call a halt to all this crap.  Yup the young woman that want to drive a car, wear fashionable clothing, make up and not marry someone Daddy picked out for them.  

Little by little the ME people are loosing control of their cattle, as we know the daughters of Islam here in the US are not only becoming westernized but actively defiant of their parents.  

Give the females a choice to get a job, marry who they wish and own their own property, it will come about and who is to call them feminazies.    These poor girls know darn well that they are but breeding stock among their own kind, when they see others their age free to make their own choices they will head for the hills.   It may take some time but it will be the woman that takes Islam down and that is what the male Muslim fears most.

[I_B_Perky]

It's beyond me how the DUmmies can take up for Islam so much,  when in Sharia law they would be the first to go.

The only thing I can think of is that their hatred of the USA overcomes their sense of self preservation, Hillneck. It just freaking boggles my mind. Do the subway cat, the gays and lizzies, the feminists, the welfare losers and the drug addicts at the dump think for one second they could live the lifestyle they prefer if the muzzies take over?

We both know the answer. The real question though is with all the evidence pointing against it, and it is overwhelming, they still continue to deny it.

Boggles my mind.   

[98ZJUSMC]

jessie04 (288 posts)
9. Don't be silly.
 
Of course not.

I'm against this but I can understand after years of oppression what these people must feel.

I try not to judge anyone's culture or religion.

But wait.....socialist wonderland.

Right?

[RobJohnson]

[youtube=425,350]RwluC6GoKLE[/youtube]

[txradioguy]

when you use words like "islam is a stain upon the world, you get very close to hate speech."

It's not hate speech youmoron...it's a pretty damn accurate description of Islam.

And things like this will likely keep happening as long as the West doesn't do the sane thing and leave.

Please explain why things like this were happeneing decades BEFORE we ever thought of going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan?

The elites who govern these European capitols welcome them with open arms in the name of diversity and multiculturalism, but radical Imams set up shop and call for the destruction of the host culture, usually while receiving welfare benefits from the them.

And that is why you see signs like this:



and protests like this:




 all over Europe.

[Mr Mannn]

jessie04 (288 posts)
7. Not surprising.
 
It's not a secret that the Muslim community has felt oppressed by the government .

Since when are the French oppressing muslims?
Did the cowardly French ever support the US in any muslim war in the last 30 years. NEVER.
radical islam has no greater friend than the French.

OK, so the veil is not allowed in France. thats it. that's all the oppression the muslim filth get.
Whoop de doo. Life is sooooo hard for radicals in France.

No. Muslims killed because that is what muslim animals do.

[AprilRazz]

dbackjon (3,532 posts)
12. So if someone's religion says to kill gays
 
We should not judge them?

You can move to Iran. Their president says that they have no gays.

[hillneck]

The real question though is with all the evidence pointing against it, and it is overwhelming, they still continue to deny it.

Boggles my mind.   

Thinking about it that's why we call them DUmmies, DUmbasses, primitives, etc....

[Vagabond]

If the people of the world thought they had a problem with Hitler, and his genocide,  for some reason the cave people 80 years ago with the technology they had then, just hang on here, these people that demand they fight using technology others built and pressure cookers just may in time take us all out.

Fortunately it may be the woman that are westernized that call a halt to all this crap.  Yup the young woman that want to drive a car, wear fashionable clothing, make up and not marry someone Daddy picked out for them.  

Little by little the ME people are loosing control of their cattle, as we know the daughters of Islam here in the US are not only becoming westernized but actively defiant of their parents.  

Give the females a choice to get a job, marry who they wish and own their own property, it will come about and who is to call them feminazies.    These poor girls know darn well that they are but breeding stock among their own kind, when they see others their age free to make their own choices they will head for the hills.   It may take some time but it will be the woman that takes Islam down and that is what the male Muslim fears most.

Vesta, you're making some errors here.  A lot of the Arabian muslim women are just fine with the way things are now.  They don't have to work.  If their husband beats them, he can expect to "have an accident". 

Their modesty is false to the point of absurdity.  I have been invited to friends houses where their female relatives came over and took off their burkhas.  They were wearing guess jeans that could have been painted on, shirts that were two sizes too small and gaudy jewelry.  They actually offended my sense of modesty, and I'm not a very modest person.

Then again, Islam means very different things depending on where you are.  Wahabbism and Suffism is what we need to treat like it's Bushido.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

jessie04 (288 posts)
9. Don't be silly.
 
Of course not.

I'm against this but I can understand after years of oppression what these people must feel.

I'll get patted-down at the airport while a Muzzie gets passed over just to demonstrate tolerance.

Muzzies get invited to coffee at the WH. The WH demands conservatives be persecuted by the tax code.

Muzzie terrorism is called "workplace violence." I get blamed for the Boston bombing before the facts are even known.

I'm called a "Teahadist" by people who defend jihadists.

Jihad supporting groups can build a mosque next to Ground Zero. I'm told churches, RW radio, Fox news and the NRA are too dangerous to not destroyed by regulation and taxation.

When Muzzies mutilate female genitalia I'm told its the same sickness of religion that motivates the Catholic Church to politically oppose gay marriage.

Muslim student groups are welcomed with open arms on tax-supported college campuses but conservatives are driven off stage with chants and thrown trash.

Muslims post pictures of their children strapped with bombs but if I teach my child to safely handle a gun or take them to church or encourage them towards abstinence I'm considered abusive.



When do I get to feel oppressed?

[RayRaytheSBS]

I'll get patted-down at the airport while a Muzzie gets passed over just to demonstrate tolerance.

Muzzies get invited to coffee at the WH. The WH demands conservatives be persecuted by the tax code.

Muzzie terrorism is called "workplace violence." I get blamed for the Boston bombing before the facts are even known.

I'm called a "Teahadist" by people who defend jihadists.

Jihad supporting groups can build a mosque next to Ground Zero. I'm told churches, RW radio, Fox news and the NRA are too dangerous to not destroyed by regulation and taxation.

When Muzzies mutilate female genitalia I'm told its the same sickness of religion that motivates the Catholic Church to politically oppose gay marriage.

Muslim student groups are welcomed with open arms on tax-supported college campuses but conservatives are driven off stage with chants and thrown trash.

Muslims post pictures of their children strapped with bombs but if I teach my child to safely handle a gun or take them to church or encourage them towards abstinence I'm considered abusive.



When do I get to feel oppressed?

You don't Snugs, because 'all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others'. And obviously it doesn't matter that the people they are supporting are not even from their country, just that they are not conservative.

[Wineslob]

Where's Dr Manhattan when you need him.   

[jukin]

essie04 (288 posts)
9. Don't be silly.
 
Of course not.

I'm against this but I can understand after years of oppression what these people must feel.

I try not to judge anyone's culture or religion.

Oppressed by being given more in welfare benefits than the average french worker earns? 

Historians are gong to look back on these times and debate why the west committed suicide and brought on the second dark age.