For not prosecuting the Bush criminals!
MNBrewer (5,547 posts)
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President Obama will soon be reaping the harvest he sowed by not pursuing the Bush Admin. criminals
Looking forward was a fatal error. We needed some heads to roll for the survival of our Republic, but that was out of the question. Too bad.
Cheney and Rumsfeld should be talking about the "Benghazi Scandal" from a prison cell, but alas.
villager (18,934 posts)
1. Yup. Repeated Democratic cowardice in the face of repeated Republican bullying and law-breaking
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...has come home to roost. Once again.
BanTheGOP (1,026 posts)
111. We should have actually attacked the party itself
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We should have rendered the republican party impotent in the first place by using RICO statutes. If that would have been the goal, the jails would be full of Bush and even Reagan-era rethugs while we would be swimming in a plethora of different, progressive political parties that actually cooperate in a democratic fashion.
But the fight is FAR from over. I'll be pontificating in a new original post tomorrow morning, "After the (faux) scandals: How the progressives must move on and lean forward." Get your popcorn.
Oh, we will.
We will.
No.
Wait.
It's really Bill Clinton's fault...
sabrina 1 (33,996 posts)
112. Bill Clinton let the Iran Contra criminals off the hook and they are now back doing what they
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do best, destroying this country.
When the Rule of Law is subverted, we get a Bush/Cheney administration. Democrats should have learned from Clinton's ending of the Iran Contra prosecutions, but sadly they did not.
And we've had years of Republican policies ever since, including during Clinton's own administration. Destructive policies that have ruined millions of lives, such as ending Glass Steagal, deregulation etc.
Prosecute criminals and we will not have any more Bush war criminals in office for a long time. But the US 'doesn't do that'. Right, it doesn't, with disastrous results.
What laws were broken in IC?
geek tragedy (25,413 posts)
8. And how would prosecuting Bush have prevented
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the IRS story from blowing up in his face?
Oh yeah, it wouldn't have. It would have made it worse.
But, never mind, soap boxes and all.
MNBrewer (5,547 posts)
12. This isn't about the IRS
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Or the AP, or Benghazi. That is all theatrics.
It's about the Republicans in the House of Representatives. Why might it be that they did so well in the off-election?
If this isn't about all of Obama's corrupt abuses of power blowing up in his face, then what is it about?
geek tragedy (25,413 posts)
14. They did well because old white Republicans vote more regularly
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than the Democratic base does.
Also, the economy was in the shitter, and voters wanted to punish someone.
MNBrewer (5,547 posts)
15. or...
Democrats were disappointed in the way Obama dealt with the crimes of the Bush Administration, thereby robbing his political base of the energy required to show up at the polls.
But I'm sure that was just Nth Dimensional jujitsu...Right?
Oh, please.
Unless their EBT card bread and birth control circuses are on the chopping block the average Democrat voter won't even get off the couch to tune in the news, let alone vote.
Check out this new one:
Sensible321 (75 posts)
102. Exposing the Bush-Crimes not only would have helped the Dems
in the next election cycle, it would have brought into question the Legitimacy Of the Government more generally - which is the Real Reason Corporate-Obama didn't do anything about it - and why Corporate-Clinton (former Wal Mart Board and CFR member with 'brother Cheney') would not have done didly either.
We seem to be forgetting that the Koch Bros created the DLC, appointing then-Gov Bill Clinton (who helped traffic Reagan-North's contra-cocaine via Mena) as director, and stole the Dem Party from the Labor Unions, who at least got us our share of the Imperialist Spoils of the wars and coups, which "our" (sic) government continually undertook no matter which "party" was in power.
So, now, in addition to knowing we support mass murderers via Despots and Death Squads around the globe (most recently, Al CIA-duh in Syria), we don't even get a payoff via good wages / jobs to shut up about it. Outsourcing and unlimited immigration, to ensure our wages are toast, are now "bi-partisan" issues masked under euphemisms like "free trade" and "humanitarianism," respectively (never mind that Koch-Clinton's NAFTA destroyed Mexican family-farms to create those 'surplus workers'). Guns, gays, and abortion 'wedge issues' are all that remains as a D/R "difference" - and those, not surprisingly, have zero effect on the Power Structure which runs the show. Get rid of the Rulers, and the reason and means to persecute each other over social differences disappears with them.
So I say, to spite my disgust with the ReThuglicans, I hope their mostly-useful-idiots drive this administration to the wall over Bengazi, AP-tapping, Guns to the Mexican Drug Gangs (caught laundering their money via Wachovia, HSBC, and BofA with no jail terms), and any other issue which shows how the sad excuse for "our" (sic) Government is nothing more or less than an the macro-economic Human Resource Management-Enforcer for the Transnational Corporate Cartel Mafia.
I expect a ReThuglican President in 2016, because it is time for the Billionaire-Rulers to take more of our liberties under 'right cover' again. But if I am wrong, and Hillary is elected, I won't be the slightest bit relieved, because I know where she is coming from, based on her associations and war-criminal activity as Secretary of State (in the Kissinger-Albright tradition).
Only if Dennis Kuchinch were to be elected, would I actually have some "hope" for the future of America, but something seems to have happened to his brain on that Air Force One ride, so I'm not holding my breath.
It's rare for a n00b to make such a strong showing for DOTY but Sense o' Bull has come out of the gates looking like a champion.
Doctor_J (26,291 posts)
100. It have said to them, "DON'T **** WITH ME"
He just doesn't have any fight in him. He continues to get bullied, because he never fights back.
You're telling us the president who killed Bin Laden in singular combat using only the sharpened handle of a toothbrush is getting bullied by the likes of John "Annoying Orange" Boehner?
LeftInTX (2,127 posts)
11. When you're nice to a bunch of criminals what do you expect?
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These guys are bullying thugs, not law abiding citizens.
They sure got a thing about bullying, don't they?
rhett o rick (26,517 posts)
28. There is a rumor that there was a Grand Bargain that included
hands off the Bush Killers. I hope to hell that pardons werent included.
rwsanders (290 posts)
33. I think the "grand bargain" was, 'hands-off' and no one has a nasty accident in a small plane
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Just wish we knew who was on the other side of the table.
lastone (106 posts)
54. The act of prosecuting W should be looked at - -
As a simple matter of JUSTICE, not vindictive, not pay-back, simply ******* JUSTICE. We wave our flag and say we are the greatest, we pass judgement on others who do not enact Justice and this hypocrisy is what is killing us. BO should have brought to bear the full weight of the federal justice system - international justice system even - to prosecute the lies told and the ****ING WAR CRIMES committed by these treasonous bastards, albeit in a fully fair, just way. This is the foundation of our very democracy and is now (and has been for a couple decades) a joke. You got $, your probably not doing time, you've got power - same result. Your poor and a nobody - careful cause one slight ****ing error and you'll be a statistic in one of the ways the USA actually leads the world, PRISON POPULATION!
THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY WITHOUT JUSTICE.
Buzz Clik (28,483 posts)
68. Good plan. Put you political enemies in jail. Welcome to the third world.
Buzzy is in danger of becoming sane.
bobclark86 (461 posts)
73. Here, let me fix that for you...
"Good plan. Put you WAR CRIMINALS RESPONSIBLE FOR A QUARTER-MILLION DEATHS in jail."
There, I fixed it for you.
Political enemies would be the GOP getting the president in jail for Benghazi. Benghazi =/= Random invasions based on 962 public lies by officials.
Buzz Clik (28,483 posts)
82. Did Congress give Bush the green light for hostilities in Iraq?
bobclark86 (461 posts)
89. Yeah, they did...
and Bush lied about it to get them to do it...
Karl Rove called, he wants his talking point back.
Buzz Clik (28,483 posts)
95. Your delusion. Welcome to it.
spanone (71,971 posts)
88. the republicans will probably impeach over these matters...we did nothing over war & torture
shame on the democrats. i understand forward, but it teaches politicians nothing.
IOW: he admits Obama committed impeachable offenses but he excuses them on the basis of his delusions.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022841912So there you have it, kids.
This is their new defense of Obama's indefensible crimes:
Obama wouldn't be blanket wiretapping the media, harassing enemies with illegal IRS audits or covering-up his cowardice during the 7 hour Benghazi assault if only he had prosecuted Bush's unspecified charges for breaking undeclared laws that are unenforceable by non-existent courts.
