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grasswire (36,371 posts)    Sun Mar 10, 2013, 10:28 PM

Have you prepared a hard copy of your genealogy research for your family?

I am thinking of putting together a presentation to give to family members that can be an heirloom -- one copy for each cousin. It would have illustrations of coats of arms*, copies of articles, the tree, written sketches of significant persons**, etc.
 
I am wondering if any of you have put together something like this.

*"coat of arms" = straitjacket
**"significant persons" = the village hangman or town head-chopper-off.

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applegrove (57,505 posts)    Mon Mar 11, 2013, 01:36 AM

1. I did all the work on a computer program and then I stopped. That program is out of date so I bought a newer version of the familytreemaker program. Now I have to transfer the information from the old program to the new one and I don‘t know if it will work. Plus if I do finish it and disseminate it to 200 family somebody will give all the information to ancestry.com. Then future & present generations will then have to pay for it in bits and pieces.

So the family files will become something to be bought and sold when the information and love has always been shared freely. If I don‘t finish it this will not happen on my watch. Simply put, I feel I could be responsible for a mess that once done would continue on for eternity. Once you buy the familytreemaker program, and upload the information I organized and scribed, ancestry.com will pop up on your screen and ask innocuously if you want to share your information with others.

A simple yes will hand it all over to ancestry.com and they then sell the information. Fifty people in my family could choose yes. And what a nightmare that would be for relatives because the family tree is huge with lots of documents and pictures. I suppose I should do some research as to what will actually happen and then look for advice from family. On the plus side family members who are not in direct contact with us would be able to pay to get information at ancestry.com

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grasswire (36,371 posts)    Mon Mar 11, 2013, 02:13 AM

2. wow, lots of aspects I have never considered!

I am far from being ready to put this together. Lots more research to do.

She's about as far along on that as she is opening up her pie-and-jam shoppe.

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bluedave (344 posts)    Mon Mar 11, 2013, 08:25 AM

5. Nope

way too pretentious for me

But for the pie-and-jam primitive, being a cooking and baking primitive, pretension is second nature to her.

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Little Star (11,125 posts)    Mon Mar 11, 2013, 11:37 AM

6. If I were your relative and received one of your presentations as a gift.....

I would think it was one of the best gifts I ever received! I would also appreciate all the time and energy that you put into such a personalized family heirloom. You would rock in my book!
 
I haven't done anything like that and don't think I have the talent to either. I'm having a hard time (think old computer illiterate women) trying to figure out how the heck to transfer all my information from my Ancestry.com account into my personal Family Tree Maker. I wonder where I can find someone who lives in my area that I could pay to do it for me. Any suggestions where I could look for such a person?


^^^should hire a Mormon--a Mormon neighbor, friend, co-worker, acquaintance, any Mormon--to do it.

Mormons are great at this, and deliver more than what they're paid to.

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Sherman A1 (11,064 posts)    Mon Mar 11, 2013, 04:22 PM

7. I had planned to do so for Christmas

however, some family health issues came up, so the project is delayed. My plan is to use Ancestry, print everything out I can add photos and documents where possible and put it all in page protectors then into binders. It's for my Wife's brothers and her Father's family does not have a very long (her Mom's a bit more) or workable tree, so it's not going to be overly difficult. I will do what I can, hand it to them and then it's theirs to do what they wish.
 
Granted what I have done online with Ancestry will not be online accessible without them paying in the future I suppose, but it does provide me with a format in which I can work and since I am doing the work..... well, there ya go.

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yellerpup (10,783 posts)    Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:17 PM

10. I included our family genealogy in the novel I wrote, thinking that everyone would be as excited as I was to discover our NA roots going back to 1640 and following it not to the present, but to the gg-grandparents.

Unfortunately, the first person in the family to read it felt is was disrespectful and were upset with the truth about our roots. They have boycotted it. They don't want to believe me. I put in years of work on this project and to say I was disappointed in their response is an understatement. I was heartbroken.

<<<familiar with that phenomenon.

<<<directly descended from Vlad the Impaler.....among thousands of decent and civilized people.

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grasswire (36,371 posts)    Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:56 PM

11. sorry to hear about that, pup

I always think that everyone is as interested in genealogy as I am, and have been disappointed now and then too. When the History Channel recently started its new series on the Vikings, I posted info about our illustrious and scary Viking ancestors* to our private facebook group for cousins. Not one person commented. I know that none of them knew about our Viking ancestors previously. Perhaps they were astonished at having pagan ancestors. Dunno.

*grasswire's Viking ancestors = the galley slaves, the ones who rowed the boats.

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yellerpup (10,783 posts)    Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:59 PM

12. I'd be excited to have Vikings in my family tree. Since some of the originators of the line come from Scotland, it's not out of the question. I know the resistance comes from the discovery of what Black Dutch means. I celebrate my ancestors, but it seems my relatives are of a different mind. The disconnect is that it means everything to me and they don't wanna know about it. Everyone has pagan ancestors if you go far back enough in time, everyone loves someone who is gay whether they know it or not, and life goes on. I have never heard of anyone being ashamed of Viking roots, though. That is a real head scratcher.
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Re: pie-and-jam primitive boasting about her Aryan ancestry again
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2013, 12:54:04 PM »
I don't ever remember hearing her mention a spouse. Sans mate, what family would want to know her background?
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Re: pie-and-jam primitive boasting about her Aryan ancestry again
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2013, 01:15:28 PM »
I don't ever remember hearing her mention a spouse. Sans mate, what family would want to know her background?

Given that she apparently--she said so, not me--became a great-great-great-grandmother circa the age of 60 (give or take a couple of years), maybe while she was young enough to bear infants, she wasn't old enough to get married.

I dunno.  It's certainly an addled case.
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Re: pie-and-jam primitive boasting about her Aryan ancestry again
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2013, 01:22:53 PM »
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I am thinking of putting together a presentation to give to family members that can be an heirloom -- one copy for each cousin. It would have illustrations of coats of arms*, copies of articles, the tree, written sketches of significant persons**, etc.

Judy the Addled, don't forget to throw this picture in there too:


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Re: pie-and-jam primitive boasting about her Aryan ancestry again
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2013, 01:31:25 PM »
Judy the Addled, don't forget to throw this picture in there too:



And I thought I'd throw these in, too.


Vlad the Impaler, left, and one of his (probably millions of) great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandsons.

Only a blind man could possibly miss the family resemblence.


From a different line of the family tree, right, a third cousin about nine times removed, of mine.

Again, only a blind man would not notice the uncanny resemblence.
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Re: pie-and-jam primitive boasting about her Aryan ancestry again
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2013, 01:40:47 PM »
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grasswire (36,371 posts)    Sun Mar 10, 2013, 10:28 PM
It would have illustrations of coats of arms

Poor addled DUmmy grasswipe Judy Smith still hasn't tumbled to the fact that companies offering historical coats of arms are,
without exception, scams.

To say nothing of the difficulty in tracking the elusive "Smith" clan.

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Re: pie-and-jam primitive boasting about her Aryan ancestry again
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2013, 01:48:36 PM »




I thought that profile looked familiar the first time I saw it.  I think Ben's hair was thicker though. 

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Re: pie-and-jam primitive boasting about her Aryan ancestry again
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2013, 01:17:57 PM »
Grasswipe:
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I posted info about our illustrious and scary Viking ancestors* to our private facebook group for cousins. Not one person commented. I know that none of them knew about our Viking ancestors previously. Perhaps they were astonished at having pagan ancestors. Dunno.

Yellerpup:
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I have never heard of anyone being ashamed of Viking roots, though. That is a real head scratcher.

I can explain it.  Nobody gives a shit, that's why nobody commented.  There is no "shame."  There is no "astonishment."  Idiots. 

I have Viking roots, too.  A snootful of Scandinavia.  So what? 

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Re: pie-and-jam primitive boasting about her Aryan ancestry again
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2013, 02:05:09 PM »

What the pie-and-jam primitive, who alleges she's traced one line clear back to B.C., doesn't understand is that all antecedents are questionable.

It wasn't until 1890 that states began registering births and deaths, and even that paper trail isn't infallible; there's been plenty of cases where paternity (and even maternity, although not nearly as much) was misgiven, either unintentionally or intentionally.

Before then, in Europe and North America, local churches registered births and deaths, and those were only partial.....and subject to misrepresentation, again either innocent or malicious.

Millions, even billions, have been born, lived, and died, without anyone but God knowing of their existence.

The first time I visited St. Margaret's Church next to Westminster Abbey, I saw a plaque reminding visitors to not trod on the lawn, as it was hallowed ground, where the bodies of thousands of victims of the Black Death 1347-1349 had been dumped.  Probably some of them were my own ancestors, their own lives unrecorded.

It's just an amusing diversion, not to be taken seriously.

The pie-and-jam primitive, in her addled old age, seems to think that her ancestry confirms something special about she herself, when in fact it doesn't make her any more "special" than the least person who ever inhabited this time and place.  It's not important who, and what, one's ancestors were; it's paramountly important who, and what, one is.
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Re: pie-and-jam primitive boasting about her Aryan ancestry again
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2013, 02:30:01 PM »
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Perhaps they were astonished at having pagan ancestors.

All of my ancestors have been Christians, going back over four thousand years. 

You have to pay for the premium membership to Ancestry.com to take the scam that far back.

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Re: pie-and-jam primitive boasting about her Aryan ancestry again
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2013, 02:39:19 PM »
All of my ancestors have been Christians, going back over four thousand years.  

You have to pay for the premium membership to Ancestry.com to take the scam that far back.

The Mormon that I hired to research a family mystery (why my last name comes from a maternal, and not a paternal, line) didn't even bother with any of these "family research" sites; he just kept going back to a source, and then back to the source of that, and back to the source of the source of the source.

He was so thorough I privately thought he overdid it; it wasn't that important.

While I believe the lineages he drew were reasonably and credibly accurate--probably more so than Judy's alleged Stone Age Man ancestors--simply because of human fallibility, either then or now, there's probably errors in it.  But what the Hell; it's just a light diversion, an amusement, anyway, no more than that.
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Re: pie-and-jam primitive boasting about her Aryan ancestry again
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2013, 03:05:53 PM »
has gNads chimed in her expertise in geneology?






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Re: pie-and-jam primitive boasting about her Aryan ancestry again
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2013, 03:12:02 PM »
Based on my research I may come from royalty.

Through my maternal grandmother I may be related to King Henry VIII
On my paternal side I may be related to Elvis Presley.

My evidence…

My maternal grandmother is from England. Henry VIII was from England.
The paternal side of my family is from the south. Elvis Presley was from the south.
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Re: pie-and-jam primitive boasting about her Aryan ancestry again
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2013, 03:14:47 PM »
Based on my research I may come from royalty.

Through my maternal grandmother I may be related to King Henry VIII
On my paternal side I may be related to Elvis Presley.

My evidence…

My maternal grandmother is from England. Henry VIII was from England.
The paternal side of my family is from the south. Elvis Presley was from the south.

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Re: pie-and-jam primitive boasting about her Aryan ancestry again
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2013, 03:21:40 PM »
Based on my research I may come from royalty.

Through my maternal grandmother I may be related to King Henry VIII
On my paternal side I may be related to Elvis Presley.

My evidence…

My maternal grandmother is from England. Henry VIII was from England.
The paternal side of my family is from the south. Elvis Presley was from the south.

Yeah, that's basically the way it is; one can't really take this stuff seriously.

Even if such relationships might be so.
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Re: pie-and-jam primitive boasting about her Aryan ancestry again
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2013, 03:24:31 PM »
I found while working on my genealogy that it's quite a trip back into history.  Whenever I've found someone, I look for information about how/when the town/area was/when formed, by who, how they got there and what the times were like when they were alive.  It's given me a great deal of appreciation for the struggle it took to build this country.  

A couple of fun one's were finding a connection to William Bradford of the Mayflower.  I'm related to his second wife.  Another was Jesse James.  A g-g-grandfather that was part of the cavalry that chased Geranimo and had an encounter with Wyatt Earp.  This same grandfather had a wife who ran off with the Anna Held singing and dancing group.  She was the mistress/wife of Ziegfield of the Ziegfield follies.

I haven't really spent much time tracing my ancestors to their countries of origins, as all the one's I've been able to find were here before the 1700's. 
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Re: pie-and-jam primitive boasting about her Aryan ancestry again
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2013, 04:26:56 PM »
The portion of a family tree that extends back to pre-Revolutionary War days is just an interesting fantasy.

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Re: pie-and-jam primitive boasting about her Aryan ancestry again
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2013, 04:35:23 PM »
It would be a safe bet that any family tree belonging to a DUmmy was used to hang a slave as their party formed the KKK.
Come to think of it, unions do create jobs. Companies have to hire two workers to do the work of one.

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Re: pie-and-jam primitive boasting about her Aryan ancestry again
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2013, 04:38:40 PM »
It would be a safe bet that any family tree belonging to a DUmmy was used to hang a slave as their party formed the KKK.

 Can't use their family tree to hang slaves.....their family trees don't fork.
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