adieu (330 posts)
I Don't Get The Chavez Hate
When I hear people and the US denounce Hugo Chavez, I reminisce about all the previous "dictators" and enemies we've hated. I think since WWII, there hasn't been an enemy that the US has demonized that has turned out to be someone who's, ok, not the best as a world leader, but isn't the ogre that he turned out to be. And certainly not as bad as some that we supported (and then turned against in many cases).
To me, the Saddams, Ayatollahs, Chavezes, Castros, Kims, and so on are just heads of state. Some of them do bad things to their citizens, but heck, we do them here too (as quoteth Dennis Rodman). They use rockets and bullets on their citizens, we use the power of money (or lack of) to do the same on our.
Diplomacy -- such as, gasp -- Nixon's visit to China and our normalization with Vietnam (now that we have to go their with our tail tucked in), have gone far more and far better for the US than belligerence. We normalized with Japan and Germany, and now, even with Russia to a degree, and we don't have to worry about them militarily and can do trade with them. But we still have strained relations with a little country 90 miles south of us because of what? Why is Castro demonized? Why is Chavez demonized? Kim demonized? Amadinnerjacket demonized? Diplomatic belligerence is the worst because it doesn't have to be. It's plain old racism/xenophobia raised up to the world's stage.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022467791Tell you what DUmmy, I will make it simple for you to understand. Do you recall what DU was saying about George W "Chimpy" Bush from 2001 through now?
Everything that you accused Bush of doing these guys have done and are doing.
demosincebirth (8,667 posts)
1. I never hated nor disliked Chavez but I think he would eventually have lead the country into a
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totalitarian state. Also, came to power not rich, but left with over 1 billion in assets. That tells me a lot.
Same could be said of 0bama.
reformist2 (3,368 posts)
2. I find it kind of absurd to think Chavez was secretly all about the money.
I do too since he wasn't all that secretive. You goons just were too blind to see it.
Johonny (10,903 posts)
20. I think the generally feeling is absolute power corrupts absolutely
The right and the establishment hated Chavez for his plans to provided more of his countries revenue to the poor. But eventually many on the left grew weary of him as he abused his new constitution and appeared to cling on to power. The general feeling is even the noblest people will eventually abuse power and there is plenty of ammo in that department for Chavez detractors. Like the previous poster I lost respect for Chavez as he appeared more and more interested in being just another authoritarian dictator and less a democratic revolutionary. It is yet to be written what his true legacy will be. It is possible his death will usher in a new democratic government and peaceful transfers of power and it is possible the country just slides back to more authoritarian rule.
So poor Chavez just was too human to bear the responsibility of being in power so he became a dictator.
reformist2 (3,368 posts)
3. He's hated by capitalists because he showed the world that there is another way.
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As a result they will never stop vilifying him - they can't afford not to. That's not to say Chavez was perfect, or even a good leader. But I sure won't believe a word I hear about him from our corporate-owned media.
Yeah he showed us how great it can be.
Rush was talking about a woman who was worried about who was going to take care of her now that the president of her country is dead.
That is just plain sad. Then again the DUmmies would much rather have all of us live in poverty and needing the government to provide for us than for anyone to be more successful than they are.
Comrade Grumpy (2,563 posts)
26. Outright lies should be banned here.
Then DU would have no posters left and every post hidden.
jsr (3,057 posts)
8. Yep. How many people have died because of Hugo Chavez?
Crickets.
DeadEyeDyck (1,338 posts)
7. when a guy goes into a school and shoots
up 26 kids, he is evil beyond compare. But if a head of state kills only 100 of his own people, it is meh.
Rex (32,888 posts)
9. Or like our former POTUS, GWB
he gets killed thousands of our trained military professionals and gets immunity for his war crimes! Talk about pathetic.
How many have died under 0bama?
He seems to get a pass though.
sabrina 1 (32,366 posts)
10. Right wingers hate Chavez, they always have.
I do get why they hate him. He was a person who believed in helping the poor, the elderly, in free education and health care.
Did you ever know a right winger who supported any of those issues?
He also refused to hand over Venezuela's oil to the Global Oil Cartels insisting that the people of Venezuela owned it, so Corporate bullies hated him also. We have discovered since the end of the Bush era that there are people calling themselves Democrats who agree with the Right Wing Corporate interests when it comes to other oil producing countries. They think that oil belongs to US.
But Chavez has always been very popular with Democrats, world wide. Which made it difficult to kill him, or discredit him or fix an election to prevent the people from electing him. So they hated him even more because his views on the poor and minorities and the disabled, the elderly proved to be more popular than their, greedy, criminal war mongering, anti-democratic views. He won, they lost, that is enough to inspire their hatred.
RIP to one of the most important leaders in the world over the past decade or so. He stood up to the International Corporate Bullies who have destroyed so many nations and gave the world hope that it actually can be done.
Taverner (52,433 posts)
15. Ahem, Khomenei killed thousands. Kim killed millions.
Pol Pot killed millions.
Chavez killed exactly 0
Try again, dude
Hey DUmmies if life is such a paradise due to Hugo and his policies why in the hell didn't you move there? You could have saved yourself from living under that dictator Bush and lived where the streets are paved with gold and everything is free.
