Dorner admitted to killings, targeting lesbians for being 'misandrist' and defen

[Freeper]

geek tragedy (21,242 posts)

Dorner admitted to killings, targeting lesbians for being 'misandrist' and defended Chick Fil-A

   
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Just to be clear to the "innocent before proven guilty" crowd who pretend not to know Chris Dorner is a murderer and those who pretend that this guy was some whistleblower who got railroaded, please read these excerpts from his bizarre manifesto:

He admits that he committed the crimes he's accused of committing:

I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days. You are saying to yourself that this is completely out of character of the man you knew who always wore a smile wherever he was seen. I know I will be vilified by the LAPD and the media. Unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name. The department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days. It has gotten worse. The consent decree should never have been lifted. The only thing that has evolved from the consent decree is those officers involved in the Rampart scandal and Rodney King incidents have since promoted to supervisor, commanders, and command staff, and executive positions.


He stated his intent to kill the CHILDREN of people he was angry at:

I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I’m terminating yours. -----, -----, -----, and BOR members Look your wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead.



He threatens to continue the murders:

-----, this is when you need to have that come to Jesus talk with Sgt. ----- and everyone else who was involved in the conspiracy to have me terminated for doing the right thing. you also need to speak with her attorney, -----, and his conversation with the BOR members and her confession of guilt in kicking Mr. -----. I’ll be waiting for a PUBLIC response at a press conference. When the truth comes out, the killing stops.


Two paragraphs later:


The attacks will stop when the department states the truth about my innocence, PUBLICLY!!! I will not accept any type of currency/goods in exchange for the attacks to stop, nor do i want it. I want my name back, period. There is no negotiation. I am not the state department who states they do not negotiate with terrorist, because anybody with a Secret or TS/SCI has seen IIR’s on SIPR and knows that the US state department always negotiates by using CF countries or independent sovereign/neutral country to mediate and compromising.


Later on:



The Violence of action will be HIGH. I am the reason TAC alert was established. I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD uniform whether on or off duty. ISR is my strength and your weakness. You will now live the life of the prey. Your RD’s and homes away from work will be my AO and battle space. I will utilize every tool within INT collections that I learned from NMITC in Dam Neck. You have misjudged a sleeping giant. There is no conventional threat assessment for me. JAM, New Ba’ath party, 1920 rev BGE, ACM, AAF, AQAP, AQIM and AQIZ have nothing on me. Do not deploy airships or gunships. SA-7 Manpads will be waiting. As you know I also own Barrett .50′s so your APC are defunct and futile.
...

Outside agencies and individual officers on patrol. If you recognize my vehicle, and confirm it is my vehicle thru a dmv/want warrant check. It behoves you to respond to dispatch that your query was for information purposes only. If you proceed with a traffic stop or attempt to notify other officers of my location or for backup you will not live to see the medal of valor you were hoping to receive for your actions. Think before you attempt to intervene. You will not survive. Your family will receive that medal of valor posthumously. It will gather dust on the fireplace mantel for years. Then one day, it will go in a shoe box with other memories. Your mother will lose a son or daughter. Your significant other will be left alone, but they will find someone else to fill your void in the future and make them just as happy. Your children, if you have them, will call someone else mommy or daddy. Don't be selfish. Your vest is only a level II or IIIA, think about it.




He names groups whom he will target, including whites, blacks, Latinos, Asians, and . .. lesbians.

Those lesbian officers in supervising positions who go to work, day in day out, with the sole intent of attempting to prove your misandrist authority (not feminism) to degrade male officers. You are a high value target.


And he even defends ... Chik Fil-A:

LGBT community and supporters, the same way you have the right to voice your opinion on acceptance of gay marriage, Chick Fil-A has a right to voice their beliefs as well. That's what makes America so great. Freedom of expression. Don't be assholes and boycott/degrade their business and customers who patronize the locations. They make some damn good chicken! Vandalizing (graffiti) their locations does not help any cause.



This man is a killer, and will keep on killing until he's killed. That's all we really know about him. And we do know it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022352560

He doesn't like lesbians and he defended Chik Fil-A looks like they will try to paint him as a conservative now. 

[Ptarmigan]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022352560

He doesn't like lesbians and he defended Chik Fil-A looks like they will try to paint him as a conservative now. 

I have seen a lot of anti-gays who are far left. Soviet Union, Maoist China, North Korea, Burma, and Cuba.

[thundley4]

I have seen a lot of anti-gays who are far left. Soviet Union, Maoist China, North Korea, Burma, and Cuba.

Look nor farther than Skin's Island to see anti-gay comments. 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

geek tragedy (21,256 posts)

6. Plenty of people raising doubt as to whether he's actually killed anyone.

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That talk is nonsense--there's no reason to doubt that he did commit those murders.

nadinbrzezinski (116,096 posts)

20. That reminds me of the fox routine of "some people."

But hey, whatever. I have yet to see one DU'er say he did not kill a soul.
Some of us, even for professional reasons, will use the words "suspected off" or "charged with."
 
You might want to check on this little thing of presumption of innocence. Or when exactly did the US adopt the Napoleonic Code?
 
Moreover, some of us have also read the "supporting FB pages." I know horrible. And except for one, there is an underlying theme to them about the exposure of LAPD corruption. Except for one, none is denying the charges...but you know what is a constant though? Things are at a boil in LA...I just hope they do not boil over. I guarantee you, it will not be pretty if they do.
 
By the way LAPD ain't helping with shooting up two women, nor Torrance PD with shooting a single 200 lb white guy. These are the kinds of thing though that happen often in LA, especially in the majority minority, lower income, areas of the city. Why those FB pages resonate, and even the manifesto does, as far as the culture of LAPD. These claims, shocking I know, are not new...at all.
 
So, some of us going...hum, hum, could be Rampart 2 (you should look into the original scandal) does not preclude wanting him arrested, and until proven guilty by a jury, he is suspected with, not has done it.
 
Perhaps some...sorry could not resist pulling a foxism, would prefer a street execution and Ley Fuga in this case. I am sure more than a few LAPD officers want that. Exhibit A their own behavior.

geek tragedy (21,256 posts)

23. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a legal concept, not one that applies

to public opinion and general consensus. You should probably read up on that distinction--it's a fallacy used by apologists to essentially mandate that any unflattering fact about the person they're defending be adjudicated in a court of law before being accepted as a fact.
 
Thus the doublespeak of the apologist--"I'm not doubting he did it, but my stance is that he's innocent."

nadinbrzezinski (116,096 posts)

29. I prefer a country where this is understood.

But hey, I get it. With the abuses over the last ten years where people have been executed with no trial, chickens are coming home to roost, and so they will.
 
Those chickens are not cute...and if understanding a core principle of British law going to Magna Carta makes me an apologist, so be it. Blood lust does truly not belong in a civilized society.
 
I notice that you did not address LAPD's behavior, or Torrance for that matter.

Have a good life. Goodbye.

Remember how she defended George Zimmerman and people who earn more than $350,000/year from the mob mentality?

Me neither.

RedCappedBandit (3,476 posts)

13. Written confessions don't really prove anything

We never 'know' anything.

That said, the guy is clearly a murderous piece of filth, 100% 'proof' notwithstanding.

kestrel91316 (44,173 posts)

36. NONE of which justifies his extrajudicial killing by any LEO. ALL accused in the US are

legally entitled to DUE PROCESS.

You are familiar with the concept, right? If you won't grant it to all accused, you have no right to expect it for yourself.
 
LAPD has unclean hands in this matter, and they did even before they attempted to murder Dorner (and hurt two women instead).
 
I am not defending Dorner, mind you. He has killed and justice awaits him. I am defending the concept of DUE PROCESS. People who oppose due process need to leave the US and go live in Somalia or Saudi Arabia, where such silly little niceties don't exist.

greiner3 (3,845 posts)

43. With all his hate;

Do I need to post a poll to know his religion?

Lady Freedom Returns (2,952 posts)

60. Was this said in a court of law?

Was this "manifesto" brought into evidence by a prosecutor? Was this ever questioned bu a defense attorney in a court of law.
 
Till all is brought forth and argued in a court of law, till it is decided by 12 jurors, I will not care to believe one way or another about any of it.

geek tragedy (21,256 posts)

67. So, you also doubt that he was wrongly fired and was motivated by LAPD

corruption. You can't possibly know any of that.

shcrane71 (1,588 posts)

71. Please use linear arguments. Now just what are you (anonymous person I've never

met irl) accusing me (anonymous person, to you, on a web forum) of thinking and believing?

geek tragedy (21,256 posts)

75. Point being, if you don't have any opinion as to whether he killed anyone, logically

you can't have an opinion as to why he killed anyone.

[thundley4]

kestrel91316 (44,173 posts)

36. NONE of which justifies his extrajudicial killing by any LEO. ALL accused in the US are

legally entitled to DUE PROCESS.

You are familiar with the concept, right? If you won't grant it to all accused, you have no right to expect it for yourself.

Nope. Obama has removed that little roadblock to "justice".   Executions without trial are A-Okay as long as we take them out with a drone strike.

[FiddyBeowulf]

nadinbrzezinski (116,096 posts)

20. That reminds me of the fox routine of "some people."

Perfected by President Strawman for the last 4+ years.

[JohnnyReb]

North Carolina used to have an "Outlaw" law....it stated that once someone like Dorner was declared an outlaw anyone could kill him, no questions asked, no problem, no court, just kill him.....the "outlaws" usually turned themselves in shortly after being declared an outlaw.

[jukin]

LGBT community and supporters, the same way you have the right to voice your opinion on acceptance of gay marriage, Chick Fil-A has a right to voice their beliefs as well. That's what makes America so great. Freedom of expression. Don't be assholes and boycott/degrade their business and customers who patronize the locations. They make some damn good chicken! Vandalizing (graffiti) their locations does not help any cause.

That is going to send the low IQers at the DUmp into a tizzy. Free speech is a ONE WAY STREET for the stupid.

[98ZJUSMC]

even for professional reasons

Spelling is a real good thing, Baldidwarf.  Especially for professional reasons and those, unlike you, that actually have a profession.  Give it a rest, ya sawed off tub of non-spelling goo.

Shheeeh, yeah right.  Like that would ever happen.

[98ZJUSMC]

LGBT community and supporters, the same way you have the right to voice your opinion on acceptance of gay marriage, Chick Fil-A has a right to voice their beliefs as well. That's what makes America so great. Freedom of expression. Don't be assholes and boycott/degrade their business and customers who patronize the locations. They make some damn good chicken! Vandalizing (graffiti) their locations does not help any cause.

[Gina]

And he even defends ... Chik Fil-A:

LGBT community and supporters, the same way you have the right to voice your opinion on acceptance of gay marriage, Chick Fil-A has a right to voice their beliefs as well. That's what makes America so great. Freedom of expression. Don't be assholes and boycott/degrade their business and customers who patronize the locations. They make some damn good chicken! Vandalizing (graffiti) their locations does not help any cause.

 

[98ZJUSMC]

Nope. Obama has removed that little roadblock to "justice".   Executions without trial are A-Okay as long as we take them out with a drone strike.

..and he gets to watch the video of it, over and over.

[Skul]

Have a good life. Goodbye.

Off to the iggy list with you, hater!! 

Frankly, his life did get better.