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George Bush's admin had a legal memo too - to define torture as necessary for se
« on: February 06, 2013, 07:26:05 PM »
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George Bush's admin had a legal memo too - to define torture as necessary for security.


 
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Now we have a legal memo rationalizing the killing of people, without the need for evidence, that are not even planning any specific action against the US.

It also, by the way, rationalizes the deaths of anyone that is near them when the missile explodes as "collateral damage".

Sometimes, what is necessary, is not to look more closely at the detailed rationalizations by crafty lawyers, but to take a step back and ask who we are and what we want to be -and what we want our children to be.

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War is bad if the president is a repuke, it shows how little he cares about people.

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2. George Bush lied us into war with Iraq,

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a million Iraqis and more than 4,000 U.S. solidiers killed and tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers wounded, but hey, at least he didn't use drones all that much.

Are you seriously trying to equate the justification for torture with targeting terrorists?

Only he didn't lie.

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4. It is worse.

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If George Bush said that everyone he tortured was a terrorist, would you have taken him at his word?

if George Bush hadn't sent troops in but instead had just sent missiles flying into Iraq, killing thousands, would you have taken his word for it that they were all terrorists?

Well we are now doing that in Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Northern Africa. And you are okay with it.

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ProSense (94,016 posts)
7. What?

"if George Bush hadn't sent troops in but instead had just sent missiles flying into Iraq, killing thousands, would you have taken his word for it that they were all terrorists?"

The war killed nearly a million Iraqies. If he had sent a drone to take out Saddam, that would have saved a lot of lives, including the lives of more than 4,000 Americans. The problem of course was that his entire basis for targeting Saddam was a lie.

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8. Did I stutter?

Or do you just choose not to answer the question?

Maybe I should choose a different country so you can stay focused on the point.

"If George Bush had just sent missiles flying into Nigeria, killing thousands, would you have taken his word for it that they were all terrorists?"

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32. The issue here is not the killing, but the killing of an American citizen without the due process

guaranteed by our Constitution.

With his drone killings of American citizens, Obama has made a mockery of our Constitution.

You know that I supported the President for re-election. I'm beginning to have second thoughts.

If he wants to have support in the mid-term elections so that he can have a Congress that is more cooperative on the broader agenda he has, he is going to have to change this policy and do it loud and clear.

I do not want to be disrespectful to the President, but this drone policy violates any decent reading of the Constitution. Glen Greenwald is an expert on this. He knows.

Looks like this DUmmy is begging for a tombstone too.

I tell you what DUmmies, I will take your outrage serious when you show the same outrage that you did over Bush. When you start saying "Frog march", "The Hague", and "War crimes", I will know you are serious. Until then you are just blowing smoke.

If it was a "war crime" under Bush then it is still a war crime under 0bama.




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Re: George Bush's admin had a legal memo too - to define torture as necessary for se
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2013, 07:31:49 PM »
You people are contorting yourselves, everyone knows it. You know it too.
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Re: George Bush's admin had a legal memo too - to define torture as necessary for se
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2013, 07:34:05 PM »
Quote from: BEG on February 06, 2013, 07:31:49 PM
You people are contorting yourselves, everyone knows it. You know it too.

I disagree that they know it, they aren't smart enough to figure that out.  :-)
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Re: George Bush's admin had a legal memo too - to define torture as necessary for se
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2013, 07:37:39 PM »
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32. The issue here is not the killing, but the killing of an American citizen without the due process

guaranteed by our Constitution.

With his drone killings of American citizens, Obama has made a mockery of our Constitution.  Hope you have enjoyed your stay at DU

You know that I supported the President for re-election. I'm beginning to have second thoughts.

If he wants to have support in the mid-term elections so that he can have a Congress that is more cooperative on the broader agenda he has, he is going to have to change this policy and do it loud and clear.

I do not want to be disrespectful to the President, but this drone policy violates any decent reading of the Constitution. Glen Greenwald is an expert on this. He knows.
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Re: George Bush's admin had a legal memo too - to define torture as necessary for se
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2013, 07:43:10 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on February 06, 2013, 07:34:05 PM
I disagree that they know it, they aren't smart enough to figure that out.  :-)

They know it, even a dog knows when it's in an unnatural position.
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Re: George Bush's admin had a legal memo too - to define torture as necessary for se
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2013, 07:55:31 PM »
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2. George Bush lied us into war with Iraq,

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a million Iraqis and more than 4,000 U.S. solidiers killed and tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers wounded, but hey, at least he didn't use drones all that much.

Are you seriously trying to equate the justification for torture with targeting terrorists?

And Bambam caused 100 million to be killed.

You show me your proof that Bush caused a million Iraqi deaths and I'll show you my proof that your lord and savior caused 100 million.
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Re: George Bush's admin had a legal memo too - to define torture as necessary for se
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2013, 08:04:37 PM »
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32.

With his drone killings of American citizens, Obama has made a mockery of our Constitution.

Was doing that long before he smoked your fellow, America-hating traveler out in the desert.

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You know that I supported the President for re-election. I'm beginning to have second thoughts.

Gee, low information ****wit, one would think that a sooper genius liberal would have enough critical thought to base rational decisions on events that happen in dickwipe's first term before pulling the lever again.  So, if you don't like it, you can suck up the pain and ****ing

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You can talk all you want, you'll still get on your knees for your abuser and tell us all how it's our fault your life is so bad.  You're a liberal and you'll be a ****ing liberal before anything else.

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If he wants to have support in the mid-term elections so that he can have a Congress that is more cooperative on the broader agenda he has, he is going to have to change this policy and do it loud and clear.

Election's over, he's back to not even pretending to give a **** about what you think.

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I do not want to be disrespectful to the President

Really?  Since when?  Oh yeah, since your guy got elected.

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Hug a nut, retarded mongrel.
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Re: George Bush's admin had a legal memo too - to define torture as necessary for se
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2013, 08:11:50 PM »
Quote from: ChuckJ on February 06, 2013, 07:55:31 PM
And Bambam caused 100 million to be killed.

You show me your proof that Bush caused a million Iraqi deaths and I'll show you my proof that your lord and savior caused 100 million.
Who was that frothing moonbat that first came up with the million number?
Unbelievable stupidity.
It was debunked so fast, it made yer head spin.
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Re: George Bush's admin had a legal memo too - to define torture as necessary for se
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2013, 08:22:34 PM »
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iSwSDvgw5Uc[/youtube]
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Re: George Bush's admin had a legal memo too - to define torture as necessary for se
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2013, 08:23:17 PM »
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2. George Bush lied us into war with Iraq,

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a million Iraqis and more than 4,000 U.S. solidiers killed and tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers wounded, but hey, at least he didn't use drones all that much.

Are you seriously trying to equate the justification for torture with targeting terrorists?

More soldiers have died in Afghanistan under Obama than died under President Bush.  I wonder if the FUBAR ROE have anything to do with that?
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Re: George Bush's admin had a legal memo too - to define torture as necessary for se
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2013, 08:29:46 PM »
Quote from: Zeus on February 06, 2013, 08:22:34 PM
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iSwSDvgw5Uc[/youtube]

Best shit ever.
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Re: George Bush's admin had a legal memo too - to define torture as necessary for se
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2013, 08:36:43 PM »
Quote from: Zeus on February 06, 2013, 08:22:34 PM
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iSwSDvgw5Uc[/youtube]

I triple dog dare a DUer to post this video over at DU.
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Re: George Bush's admin had a legal memo too - to define torture as necessary for se
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2013, 08:43:50 PM »
Quote from: BEG on February 06, 2013, 08:36:43 PM
I triple dog dare a DUer to post this video over at DU.

If I hadn't been working so hard to build my mole up I would.  I might if they ever bring up the Bush lied about WMD's again.
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